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May 17, 2012 FDC meeting
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= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_May_17_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
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# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_May_10_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
 
#* Production status
 
#* Production status
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#* Third package refurbishment status
 
#* Third package tests (Lubomir)
 
#* Third package tests (Lubomir)
 
# Engineering update  
 
# Engineering update  
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
#* Grounding
 
 
# Tests with first package in 126 [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
 
# Tests with first package in 126 [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
 
# Other
 
# Other
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Mark, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.
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Participants: Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, Mark, and Lubomir.
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== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave for package #4 production: on wire frame #27 tension measurements were done, #28 will go on the stringing table next. The last wire frame for the package will go on the table by the end of the next week. #26 and #27 will be deadened on Monday. #26 has components, Chris will put components on #27 Monday/Tuesday. Working now on all the remaining cathodes for the package. Expect to have all the cathode for the package ready in two weeks. Bill asked Dave to put the wire frame numbers on the samples for the wire deadening.
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- Dave for package #4 production: working now on four cathodes, there's one more and we will be done with all the cathodes for this package, then continuing with the spare cathodes. Chris will put the elements on wire plane #26; #24 and #25 were deadened. Wire frame #27 is on the stringing table. Received wire frame #18 back from the machine shop. They fixed some of the frame holes that were not correct, these are used to attach the frame to the strong-back for stringing.  
  
- Third package was fully assembled a week ago and as of today the oxygen is 140ppm and it still may go a little down. For comparison we had 75ppm for one cell and 111ppm for four cells. Roughly we have ~10ppm contribution from each cell plus ~65ppm from the gas and gas system. In any case the oxygen is very low. All the cells were tested and all the channels are fine, except we had HV problem on the top cell: there was short (~1MOhm) to ground from two positive HV sectors. It turned out one shorts ONLY to the ground on the top cathode, and the other HV sector shorts ONLY to a particular strip on the top cathode. No connectivity was found to anything else, like wire frame ground, field wires etc. After the meeting we opened the package and as Dave predicted, we found two sense wires not completely cut, sticking up and making contact with the top cathode. The problem was fixed and we closed the package. Now we will have to wait one more week to get the oxygen down and do final tests.    
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- Today we continued with the installation of the last two cells of the third package. Before the installation, in one of the new wire planes we found one broken wire (between the pad and the epoxy) that was fixed on Tuesday and checked on Wednesday. After the meeting all the cells of package #3 were installed and started flushing with gas.
  
== Engineering ==
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- All the four cells of the third package, as tested with a source, are OK. The oxygen for the four cells went down to 100ppm in about a week. We had some problems applying HV on the bottom cell (that was tested already before when it was installed alone) but we were able to condition it and was stable for >48 hours.
  
- Bill: final tests on the design of the installation cart before bidding. Had further discussions with Tim and survey group on the fiducial scheme (Bill reminded us the scheme again).
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== Engineering ==
  
- When installing the last two cells we had problems with the metal pins and had to put vacuum grease on them to make the insertion easy. To avoid bending of the pins, as Casey suggested, we want to put two handles and Bill will order them.
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- This morning we had issues with the new installation pins that we used to replace the old that were bent. The tolerance is only 0.5mills! We suspect that one of the hub (aluminum) was damaged by the steel pin. Bill suggested fixing it after we are done with the third package. In the mean time Anatoly suggested putting vacuum grease (same that we use on the O-rings) on the pin when inserting it in the hub and the package. This worked very well and we were able to use all the pins. The problem with the pins is that they can easily be bent when tightening the handle. Casey also suggested to put two handles, one at the bottom of the pin and the other to leave it loose and tighten it at the right place at the end before tightening the package. This worked also very well.
  
 
== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- Chris: Jim and Chuck made the drawings of the grounding clip. It will be Cu-Be 13mill thick and will have a force of 7.5lb; Bill: in this case we have to use Rohacell between the wire frame and the cathode. One company only responded to the bid: $2k for 500 clips (need ~120 per package). Chris submitted a PR.  
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- For the grounding Chris got an offer for 300 clips, 100 of each type. Beni explained that we need only one type: 11mm width. Chris will ask the company again. The thickness of the material to be defined experimentally when we get some samples. We will need 20 clips per cell, or ~120 for one package.
 
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- After some discussions we figured out that we can easily extend the grounding to the cathode from the top cell. We just extend the Cu foil to that cathode and put the clips that we have now on the top of the copper foil, thus we will also prevent damaging the cathode foil. In this case we may not need to do the inter-cell ground connections.
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- Before making the clips we have to test them but the company will not give us samples, for that they need to set up the production. Bill suggested to use the 7mill brass shimming plates (that we have) and try to make a clip according to the drawings that Chris will send. At least we can test it before the production starts.    
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== Tests with first package at 126 ==
 
== Tests with first package at 126 ==
  
- Beni: working on the wire resolution. So far it is much worse than it was in the prototype, about ~400 microns. Beni traced down the problem to the very bad timing resolution of ~14ns. It was estimated using a simplified scheme: separating only vertical (from the Indiana chambers) tracks and comparing the timings from the parallel wires in the first and fourth packages. Most likely to problem is due to the oxygen in the gas, but Beni wants to check the F1TDC using different mode. Also it could be a result of a poor angular resolution of the Indiana chambers, but to see its effect it must be worse than 5mrad. Beni will report on this in the Collaboration meeting.
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- Beni: HV now is 1600V to avoid afterpulsing, the efficiency is ~90% except two cells with areas below 80%. The position resolution is still of the order of 300 microns. Beni explained the procedure he uses to estimate the resolution: the incident angle from the external tracking and then comparing the positions from parallel wires the pairs of cells that have wires with the same direction. We discussed different sources that could make the resolution worse: how parallel the wires on the different cells are, the time to distance conversion in presence of oxygen and low efficiency for big drift times. Also Beni wants to look in the external chambers showing some uneven distributions of the cosmics.
 
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== Other ==
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- Vladimir is arriving on May 30 for six months, will be helping with the package tests.  
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- Due to the Collaboration meeting Monday-Wednesday next week, unless there's something urgent, we will not have FDC meeting next week.
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Revision as of 18:46, 17 May 2012

May 10, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Production status
    • Third package refurbishment status
    • Third package tests (Lubomir)
  2. Engineering update
  3. Electronics update (Chris)
  4. Tests with first package in 126 FDC E-log (Beni)
  5. Other

Minutes

Participants: Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, Mark, and Lubomir.


Production

- Dave for package #4 production: working now on four cathodes, there's one more and we will be done with all the cathodes for this package, then continuing with the spare cathodes. Chris will put the elements on wire plane #26; #24 and #25 were deadened. Wire frame #27 is on the stringing table. Received wire frame #18 back from the machine shop. They fixed some of the frame holes that were not correct, these are used to attach the frame to the strong-back for stringing.

- Today we continued with the installation of the last two cells of the third package. Before the installation, in one of the new wire planes we found one broken wire (between the pad and the epoxy) that was fixed on Tuesday and checked on Wednesday. After the meeting all the cells of package #3 were installed and started flushing with gas.

- All the four cells of the third package, as tested with a source, are OK. The oxygen for the four cells went down to 100ppm in about a week. We had some problems applying HV on the bottom cell (that was tested already before when it was installed alone) but we were able to condition it and was stable for >48 hours.

Engineering

- This morning we had issues with the new installation pins that we used to replace the old that were bent. The tolerance is only 0.5mills! We suspect that one of the hub (aluminum) was damaged by the steel pin. Bill suggested fixing it after we are done with the third package. In the mean time Anatoly suggested putting vacuum grease (same that we use on the O-rings) on the pin when inserting it in the hub and the package. This worked very well and we were able to use all the pins. The problem with the pins is that they can easily be bent when tightening the handle. Casey also suggested to put two handles, one at the bottom of the pin and the other to leave it loose and tighten it at the right place at the end before tightening the package. This worked also very well.

Electronics

- For the grounding Chris got an offer for 300 clips, 100 of each type. Beni explained that we need only one type: 11mm width. Chris will ask the company again. The thickness of the material to be defined experimentally when we get some samples. We will need 20 clips per cell, or ~120 for one package.

Tests with first package at 126

- Beni: HV now is 1600V to avoid afterpulsing, the efficiency is ~90% except two cells with areas below 80%. The position resolution is still of the order of 300 microns. Beni explained the procedure he uses to estimate the resolution: the incident angle from the external tracking and then comparing the positions from parallel wires the pairs of cells that have wires with the same direction. We discussed different sources that could make the resolution worse: how parallel the wires on the different cells are, the time to distance conversion in presence of oxygen and low efficiency for big drift times. Also Beni wants to look in the external chambers showing some uneven distributions of the cosmics. "may_10_2012.txt" 37L, 3538C 1,1 Top