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# George: report on trip to Edmonton | # George: report on trip to Edmonton | ||
# Estimates of pedestal width (electronic noise, etc.) for FM PMTs. The dark rate should be negligigle in this case. | # Estimates of pedestal width (electronic noise, etc.) for FM PMTs. The dark rate should be negligigle in this case. | ||
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# Please place documents here for review in advance of meeting | # Please place documents here for review in advance of meeting | ||
+ | # [[Calibration-Monitoring]] | ||
+ | # [http://physics.indiana.edu/~ptsmith/pulseled/ Paul Smith's Fiber Pulser] | ||
− | = Agenda = | + | = Tentative Agenda = |
− | # | + | Note: This meeting will be dedicated to reviewing calibration issues. Other reports will be included as time permits. |
+ | |||
+ | # Announcements | ||
+ | # Review of Calibration Issues | ||
+ | #* Athens update report: [https://halldweb.jlab.org/doc-private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=1092 GlueX-doc-1092] | ||
+ | # Reports | ||
+ | #* [[Fiber Test Stand at JLAB]] (Beni) | ||
+ | #* [[Fiber Tests at Regina]] (Kathryn) | ||
+ | # Updates | ||
+ | #* FCAL | ||
+ | #* BCAL | ||
+ | #* Comments on the [[GlueX-Collaboration-Sept-2008 | collaboration meeting]]. [http://www.jlab.org/ccc/mail_archives/HALLD/halld-cal/msg00847.html Suggestions from last meeting] | ||
# Any other business | # Any other business | ||
=Minutes= | =Minutes= | ||
− | Attending: | + | Attending: Athens: Christina, George, Pavlos; UofR: Zisis, George, Kathryn, Blake; JLab: Elton, Beni, Tim, Fernando; IU: Matt, Mijahlo, Claire Tareert; FIU: Werner. |
+ | |||
+ | == Announcements == | ||
+ | * Claire Tarbert is a new research associate at IU. Welcome! | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Review of Calibration System == | ||
+ | * Athens update report: [https://halldweb.jlab.org/doc-private/DocDB/ShowDocument?docid=1092 GlueX-doc-1092] | ||
+ | * Christina went over the posted presentation | ||
+ | |||
+ | # First the laser option was presented | ||
+ | #* APD used to monitor the absolute light from the laser, but noise pick up from the laser was a problem. Elton indicated that a full shield was necessary to shield the laser. Method for shielding similar laser can be found on the bottom of page 3 of Hall B [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-B/notes/clas_notes91/note91-002.pdf CLAS-NOTE 91-002]. | ||
+ | # Second, the LED option was presented. | ||
+ | #* 2x1 cm2 boards with the LED and pulsing electronics have been made; 35 boards produced. | ||
+ | #* The idea is to place the boards near each pmt to be calibrated, e.g. on the light guide of the SiPMs. George: could be placed on the tapered length of the guide. | ||
+ | #* Fernando asked about the temperature dependence: it has not yet been measured. | ||
+ | #* Control board (for about 30 LEDs) has been constructed and would be placed about 2-3 m away from the LED. | ||
+ | #* Each channel requires three cables (voltage, trigger signal and ground). The trigger signal is a TTL pulse. | ||
+ | #* Question about masking individual channels for firing? This would check (optical) cross talk between channels. | ||
+ | # The calibration system needs to have its requirements clearly defined. Each subsystem (Fcal, Bcal, Start counter) reviewed its requirements, but further refinement is necessary. | ||
+ | #* Elton prepared the following table to clarify the requirements. We need to complete it to provide adequate feedback to Athens: | ||
+ | <br> | ||
+ | == Calibration Specifications Table == | ||
+ | {| border=1 | ||
+ | |+ DRAFT Table of Calibration Specifications: Blanks need to be completed by subsystem. | ||
+ | ! Characteristic !! Fcal !! Bcal !! TOF !! Start | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Light uniformity channel-to-channel || || ≤ 15% || || | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Dynamic range of input (number of photoelectrons) || || typically 100 || || 100 up to 800 | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Requirement on absolute light input || none (PRIMEX might have) || 150 pe on module || || | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Variation in arrival times of cal pulses || align=center | ~3 ns || align=center | ≤ 2 ns || align=center | ~3ns || align=center | ~3ns | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Time stability gain and timing (one channel) || || ≤ 10% in 6 months || || | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Temperature stability (likely cause of time stability) || || 1<sup>o</sup> causes 3% gain change|| || | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Location of calibration input ||From front to monitor rad damage || light guide tapered side || || | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Geometrical constraints || Approximately 90% of front 4x4 cm2 area available || packing of WC and LGs, LED fitting, cable routing || || | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | # Comment: Time (and temperature) stability most important. | ||
+ | # Comment: Option of delivering a range of light intensities important (e.g. using various filter settings). | ||
+ | # Comment from Werner: The flexibility in the use of the LED would be very useful for the start counter. Christina: Still need to test stability. | ||
+ | # Questions to Matt: What uniformity could one expect from the plexiglass input system? How many fibers were used to pulse the plexiglass, i.e. how often were they spaced? | ||
+ | # Comment: Matt drew attention to an [http://physics.indiana.edu/~ptsmith/pulseled/ LED pulser by Paul Smith] which might be a useful reference. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Fiber Measurements == | ||
+ | # [[Fiber Test Stand at JLAB]] (Beni) | ||
+ | #* Test setup now operational . Attenuation length and light output completed for Kuraray and recent Bicron Fibers. More measurements under way. | ||
+ | # [[Fiber Tests at Regina]] (Kathryn) | ||
+ | #* Light output reported for Kuraray and Bicron fibers. Measurements of attenuation lengths will be summarized and included along with light output measurements. | ||
+ | # Preliminary conclusion is that Kuraray fibers have higher light output and longer attenuation length, but results still need to be digested. | ||
+ | # George noted that a couple of Quantacon pmts would simplify and give confidence to the calibration procedures. |
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Contents
Items for followup from Aug 18 meeting
- George: report on trip to Edmonton
- Estimates of pedestal width (electronic noise, etc.) for FM PMTs. The dark rate should be negligigle in this case.
- Resolution studies with up-to-date geometry (Blake) ONGOING
- Resolution studies with different segmentation for the outer section. - LOWER PRIORITY
- Add F100 rad hard glass to simulation. - Matt will do this
- Decision on Bcal sampling fraction needed by Sep. - Work by Stamatis (on vacation) will be summarized upon his return.
Documents to Review
- Please place documents here for review in advance of meeting
- Calibration-Monitoring
- Paul Smith's Fiber Pulser
Tentative Agenda
Note: This meeting will be dedicated to reviewing calibration issues. Other reports will be included as time permits.
- Announcements
- Review of Calibration Issues
- Athens update report: GlueX-doc-1092
- Reports
- Fiber Test Stand at JLAB (Beni)
- Fiber Tests at Regina (Kathryn)
- Updates
- FCAL
- BCAL
- Comments on the collaboration meeting. Suggestions from last meeting
- Any other business
Minutes
Attending: Athens: Christina, George, Pavlos; UofR: Zisis, George, Kathryn, Blake; JLab: Elton, Beni, Tim, Fernando; IU: Matt, Mijahlo, Claire Tareert; FIU: Werner.
Announcements
- Claire Tarbert is a new research associate at IU. Welcome!
Review of Calibration System
- Athens update report: GlueX-doc-1092
- Christina went over the posted presentation
- First the laser option was presented
- APD used to monitor the absolute light from the laser, but noise pick up from the laser was a problem. Elton indicated that a full shield was necessary to shield the laser. Method for shielding similar laser can be found on the bottom of page 3 of Hall B CLAS-NOTE 91-002.
- Second, the LED option was presented.
- 2x1 cm2 boards with the LED and pulsing electronics have been made; 35 boards produced.
- The idea is to place the boards near each pmt to be calibrated, e.g. on the light guide of the SiPMs. George: could be placed on the tapered length of the guide.
- Fernando asked about the temperature dependence: it has not yet been measured.
- Control board (for about 30 LEDs) has been constructed and would be placed about 2-3 m away from the LED.
- Each channel requires three cables (voltage, trigger signal and ground). The trigger signal is a TTL pulse.
- Question about masking individual channels for firing? This would check (optical) cross talk between channels.
- The calibration system needs to have its requirements clearly defined. Each subsystem (Fcal, Bcal, Start counter) reviewed its requirements, but further refinement is necessary.
- Elton prepared the following table to clarify the requirements. We need to complete it to provide adequate feedback to Athens:
Calibration Specifications Table
Characteristic | Fcal | Bcal | TOF | Start |
---|---|---|---|---|
Light uniformity channel-to-channel | ≤ 15% | |||
Dynamic range of input (number of photoelectrons) | typically 100 | 100 up to 800 | ||
Requirement on absolute light input | none (PRIMEX might have) | 150 pe on module | ||
Variation in arrival times of cal pulses | ~3 ns | ≤ 2 ns | ~3ns | ~3ns |
Time stability gain and timing (one channel) | ≤ 10% in 6 months | |||
Temperature stability (likely cause of time stability) | 1o causes 3% gain change | |||
Location of calibration input | From front to monitor rad damage | light guide tapered side | ||
Geometrical constraints | Approximately 90% of front 4x4 cm2 area available | packing of WC and LGs, LED fitting, cable routing |
- Comment: Time (and temperature) stability most important.
- Comment: Option of delivering a range of light intensities important (e.g. using various filter settings).
- Comment from Werner: The flexibility in the use of the LED would be very useful for the start counter. Christina: Still need to test stability.
- Questions to Matt: What uniformity could one expect from the plexiglass input system? How many fibers were used to pulse the plexiglass, i.e. how often were they spaced?
- Comment: Matt drew attention to an LED pulser by Paul Smith which might be a useful reference.
Fiber Measurements
- Fiber Test Stand at JLAB (Beni)
- Test setup now operational . Attenuation length and light output completed for Kuraray and recent Bicron Fibers. More measurements under way.
- Fiber Tests at Regina (Kathryn)
- Light output reported for Kuraray and Bicron fibers. Measurements of attenuation lengths will be summarized and included along with light output measurements.
- Preliminary conclusion is that Kuraray fibers have higher light output and longer attenuation length, but results still need to be digested.
- George noted that a couple of Quantacon pmts would simplify and give confidence to the calibration procedures.