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# Oxygen contamination  
 
# Oxygen contamination  
#* Test results [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC/ FDC ELOG] (Beni, Lubomir)
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#* Test results [https://halldweb.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC/ FDC ELOG] (Beni, Lubomir)
 
#* Future tests (Dave, Lubomir)
 
#* Future tests (Dave, Lubomir)
 
# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_March_22_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
 
# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_March_22_2012.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
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# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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= Minutes =
 
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Participants: Dave, Bill, John, Nick, Eugene, Beni, Simon, and Lubomir.   
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Participants: Tim, Dave, Simon, Beni, Chris, John, Casey, and Lubomir.   
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave for the third package: wire planes #4 and #13 remain to be deadened. The chemical re-crystalized  and has to be reheated. Chris will put the components on #13 on Friday. Mylar will be tensioned on cathode #40 type-2 and we will be done with the parts for the third package. Package four: started working on the first two cathodes type-3, laminating and testing the wire frames. Most likely Anatoly will start working on BCAL lightguides gluing (in couple of weeks?), so we would like him first to replace the HV caps and do the testing on the rest of the wire frames.  
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- Dave: Remaining to be done on package #3: last two wire frames to be electroplated and Chris has to put the elements on one of them; daughter cards on one type-2 cathode to be installed. Package #4: all wire frames were laminated, on three the caps were already replaced and tested and Anatoly is working on the fourth one; one wire frame strung. The plan is to stop the installation of the third package, stop the wire frame production after finishing the last one and stop at least by Monday the cathode production. The hope is by that time we will have an idea how to fix the oxygen leakage into the chambers.
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- Lubomir: fourth cell of the third package was tested with a source and a scope. All channels are OK, but a leakage was found at the top end window.
  
- Lubomir: third cell on the third package had to be opened twice to clean a noise place (10-20 kHz high amplitude) on a sense wire; turned out to be a small hair on the back side of the wire. Fourth cell was installed too but not tested yet. As Eugene suggested on the tracking meeting we discussed if we stop the package assembly till we figure out the oxygen issue. Everybody agreed. We will continue mostly with the cathode production and wire frame production, preferably without stringing the wires to avoid damage/cleaning.
 
 
 
 
== Oxygen contamination in the first package ==
 
== Oxygen contamination in the first package ==
  
- Beni showed different results from the FDC ELog about efficiency dependence on the gas flow for three different Ar/CO2 gas mixtures we had recently. The efficiency is between 90-100% with 90/10 at high flow (400-500 scc/min). For 40/60 at 500 scc/min the efficiency is 60-70% but very uniform. Beni studied also the dependence of the oxygen percentage on the flow and differential pressure in the chamber. Actually the two parameters were varied at the same time, but by using a pump to lower the pressure almost to zero Pa, Beni didn't see strong dependence on the pressure. For 500 scc/min and ~150Pa the best value for the oxygen was 6200vpm, while with 300scc/min and ~250Pa oxygen went up to ~8000vpm.
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- Beni: after replacing the plastic rods on the first package with aluminum ones the pressure inside the chamber increased from 70 to 110 Pa. To keep the pressure the same we had to decrease the flow from 200 to 300 scc/min. So, the main effect was that we improved the tightness of the chamber significantly but the oxygen percentage improved just a little (~10%).  
  
- Casey started replacing the plastic rods with aluminum ones on the first package and applying 100 in*oz torque instead of 50; not an easy work since some of the plastic broke. Bill explained that with 50 in*oz two surfaces must be flush when the O-ring has its max compression of 35%. Due to possible deformation this may not be the case and increasing the torque will just make the frames flatter. Higher torque will be applied on the test chamber as well and look at the oxygen percentage.
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- Replacing the old O-rings (EPDM) with new (Buna-N, or Nitrile) on the testing chamber resulted in decreasing the oxygen from 1400 vpm to 940 vpm (in three days, last value stable for several hours) which is not enough. The configuration of the testing chamber was from bottom to top: Lexan, spacer ring with two new O-rings, cathode type-2, end-window with new O-ring.  
  
- Future plans: we will start flushing the second package with a premix 40/60 bottle at Blue Crab and later measure the oxygen there. We discussed again if we can use other gases like He or Ne to test for leakage. If changing the rods doesn't fix the problem we will consider replacing the O-rings. Bill ordered new O-rings: Buna-N (Nitrile) and according to a table where this material is mentioned with a similar name, the oxygen permeability must be an order of magnitude better. First we will change the O-rings in the testing chamber.
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- This morning we started a new test without the cathode and end-window so that we can get the results faster without the air-pockets in these elements.  
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Configuration: Lexan and spacer ring from before (with the two new O-rings), empty type-1 cathode frame with an old type O-ring on the top, another Lexan sheet. The O-ring on the cathode frame was not glued with super glue (except at two points). If the main oxygen leakage is through the G10 groove/old O-ring  we had similar O-ring configuration before but with cathode type-3 and end-window, and expect to see oxygen at ~1400vpm. 
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- Future plans: The idea is tomorrow to replace the cathode frame with another one on which the groove was coated today with Hysol epoxy. Dave and Casey made different sample coatings, also diluting the Hysol with ethanol, but we decided to use the non-diluted epoxy since it covers better the G10 fibers at the same time increasing the g10 thickness by only ~1mil. If coating the grooves results in significant oxygen reduction we may want to try next week to see also the effect of the coating AND the new type O-ring. Then we will plan the refurbishing procedures, will start with the third package. We will bring the oxygen sensor to Blue Crab and will measure the oxygen cell by cell before and after refurbishment.  
  
 
== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- Bill working now on the package connections and cooling system drawings.
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- We discussed if the Fluorinert will be a problem for our chambers. Lubomir talked to experts and did some study in the literature but no evidence found either for or against the use of Fluorinert. Tim: it's not a problem to use water. Beni asked if the pressure must be higher with water. Tim explained: it depends on the temperature tolerance and if acceptable we can always lower the pressure. Still the thick tube material will be there. Using air for cooling is probably not an option.  
  
- We discussed if the Fluorinert will be a problem for our leaky chambers. It is known that very small percentge of Fluorine can cause serious problems in the chamber, but what about Fluorinert? Eugene suggested talking to experts.
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- Dave: we have received the parts for the hydrostatic tests of the cooling system.
  
 
== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- Nick: 5 additional pre-amp sets (22 each) ready, plus one at Blue Crab, we have the sets needed for the second package.
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- Beni asked when the checking of all the pre-amps will be finished; he is interested actually in the fADC125 that is used in the tests. Beni's idea is to use at least the two available fADC125 to test the cathode channels on the first package; non of them is connected now.
 
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- Nick made the control for the fan pump that is installed now in an Al cylinder that Bill designed for it, ready to be tested on the first package.
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- Chris: in principle this can be done within few weeks. We will discuss this with Fernando.

Latest revision as of 00:14, 1 April 2015

March 22, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Oxygen contamination
    • Test results FDC ELOG (Beni, Lubomir)
    • Future tests (Dave, Lubomir)
  2. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Production status
    • Testing at Blue Crab (Lubomir)
  3. Engineering update (Dave, Lubomir)
  4. Electronics update (Chris)
  5. Other

Minutes

Participants: Tim, Dave, Simon, Beni, Chris, John, Casey, and Lubomir.

Production

- Dave: Remaining to be done on package #3: last two wire frames to be electroplated and Chris has to put the elements on one of them; daughter cards on one type-2 cathode to be installed. Package #4: all wire frames were laminated, on three the caps were already replaced and tested and Anatoly is working on the fourth one; one wire frame strung. The plan is to stop the installation of the third package, stop the wire frame production after finishing the last one and stop at least by Monday the cathode production. The hope is by that time we will have an idea how to fix the oxygen leakage into the chambers.

- Lubomir: fourth cell of the third package was tested with a source and a scope. All channels are OK, but a leakage was found at the top end window.

Oxygen contamination in the first package

- Beni: after replacing the plastic rods on the first package with aluminum ones the pressure inside the chamber increased from 70 to 110 Pa. To keep the pressure the same we had to decrease the flow from 200 to 300 scc/min. So, the main effect was that we improved the tightness of the chamber significantly but the oxygen percentage improved just a little (~10%).

- Replacing the old O-rings (EPDM) with new (Buna-N, or Nitrile) on the testing chamber resulted in decreasing the oxygen from 1400 vpm to 940 vpm (in three days, last value stable for several hours) which is not enough. The configuration of the testing chamber was from bottom to top: Lexan, spacer ring with two new O-rings, cathode type-2, end-window with new O-ring.

- This morning we started a new test without the cathode and end-window so that we can get the results faster without the air-pockets in these elements. Configuration: Lexan and spacer ring from before (with the two new O-rings), empty type-1 cathode frame with an old type O-ring on the top, another Lexan sheet. The O-ring on the cathode frame was not glued with super glue (except at two points). If the main oxygen leakage is through the G10 groove/old O-ring we had similar O-ring configuration before but with cathode type-3 and end-window, and expect to see oxygen at ~1400vpm.

- Future plans: The idea is tomorrow to replace the cathode frame with another one on which the groove was coated today with Hysol epoxy. Dave and Casey made different sample coatings, also diluting the Hysol with ethanol, but we decided to use the non-diluted epoxy since it covers better the G10 fibers at the same time increasing the g10 thickness by only ~1mil. If coating the grooves results in significant oxygen reduction we may want to try next week to see also the effect of the coating AND the new type O-ring. Then we will plan the refurbishing procedures, will start with the third package. We will bring the oxygen sensor to Blue Crab and will measure the oxygen cell by cell before and after refurbishment.

Engineering

- We discussed if the Fluorinert will be a problem for our chambers. Lubomir talked to experts and did some study in the literature but no evidence found either for or against the use of Fluorinert. Tim: it's not a problem to use water. Beni asked if the pressure must be higher with water. Tim explained: it depends on the temperature tolerance and if acceptable we can always lower the pressure. Still the thick tube material will be there. Using air for cooling is probably not an option.

- Dave: we have received the parts for the hydrostatic tests of the cooling system.

Electronics

- Beni asked when the checking of all the pre-amps will be finished; he is interested actually in the fADC125 that is used in the tests. Beni's idea is to use at least the two available fADC125 to test the cathode channels on the first package; non of them is connected now.

- Chris: in principle this can be done within few weeks. We will discuss this with Fernando.