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*The only suggestion that may significantly change the proposal is that Garth and Frank suggested that we propose to take more data (especially adding a deuteron run) at half linac energy, without worrying about scheduling/invasiveness issues. Such run could be done e.g. in summer. They suggested also to discuss this with Eugene or someone from the management to confirm that it is not going to hurts the proposal to ask for such beam time. Another thing to clarify here is whether such data is (easily) obtainable from the CLAS 6 GeV runs.   
 
*The only suggestion that may significantly change the proposal is that Garth and Frank suggested that we propose to take more data (especially adding a deuteron run) at half linac energy, without worrying about scheduling/invasiveness issues. Such run could be done e.g. in summer. They suggested also to discuss this with Eugene or someone from the management to confirm that it is not going to hurts the proposal to ask for such beam time. Another thing to clarify here is whether such data is (easily) obtainable from the CLAS 6 GeV runs.   
 
*List of points to clarify re. the proposal:
 
*List of points to clarify re. the proposal:
**Change:  
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**Change (M. Dalton):  
 
***"Primary goal" to "Early goal" (meaning what we can learn with an easy analysis)
 
***"Primary goal" to "Early goal" (meaning what we can learn with an easy analysis)
 
***"Secondary goal" to "longer term goal" (meaning it involves a more complicated analysis)
 
***"Secondary goal" to "longer term goal" (meaning it involves a more complicated analysis)
**Clarify that the proton GDH running integral has overshot the sum rule predictions and while the missing part is expected to be negative from Regge, the evidence for that from ELSA data is anecdotal.  
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**Clarify that the proton GDH running integral has overshot the sum rule predictions and while the missing part is expected to be negative from Regge, the evidence for that from ELSA data is anecdotal. (M. Dalton)
**Add the running integral plot to the proposal, with the LEGS data included. Specify that this is all the data available so far.  
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**Add the running integral plot to the proposal (make the running integral for the neutron), with the LEGS data included. Specify that this is all the data available so far. (M. Dalton)
**Clarify that our simulated prediction of the proposed measurement were obtained using the best Regge estimate available. It was unclear to Garth and Frank what was in the simulated data.
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**Clarify that our simulated prediction of the proposed measurement were obtained using the best Regge estimate available. It was unclear to Garth and Frank what was in the simulated data. (M. Dalton)
**Instead, or in addition, to Fig. 1, use the PDG figure that show the pomeron-related increase of the unpolarized cross-section.   
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**Instead, or in addition, to Fig. 1, use the PDG figure that show the pomeron-related increase of the unpolarized cross-section.  (M. Dalton)
**The illustration based on  Fig. 1 on what we would have missed (the divergence of the unpolarized integral) if unpolarized data stopped at 2.9 GeV seems to not have been clear to Garth and Frank.  
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**The illustration based on  Fig. 1 on what we would have missed (the divergence of the unpolarized integral) if unpolarized data stopped at 2.9 GeV seems to not have been clear to Garth and Frank. (M. Dalton)
**Clarify and extend the discussion on the 25% improvement of accuracy for the verification on the proton GDH sum rule.
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**Clarify and extend the discussion on the 25% improvement of accuracy for the verification on the proton GDH sum rule. (A. Deur)
 
**Illustration of what we could learn about quark substructure:
 
**Illustration of what we could learn about quark substructure:
 
***Make it more prominent in the introduction.  
 
***Make it more prominent in the introduction.  
 
***Mention it in the conclusion
 
***Mention it in the conclusion
***Instead (or in addition) of assuming that we will find that the sum rule is valid, and computing the compositeness limit within this assumption, discuss what we would learn on quark compositeness if the sum rule is violated by, say, 3σ.  
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***Instead (or in addition) of assuming that we will find that the sum rule is valid, and computing the compositeness limit within this assumption, discuss what we would learn on quark compositeness if the sum rule is violated by, say, 3σ. (A. Deur)
**Remove in details on HDice. (Just say we are using FROST, unless a bigger program warrant the use of HDice)
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**Remove in details on HDice. (Just say we are using FROST, unless a bigger program warrant the use of HDice) (A. Deur)
**Clarify that the 3 PS settings are different from the (unique) tagger setting.  
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**Clarify that the 3 PS settings are different from the (unique) tagger setting. (M. Dalton)
**Clarify the XEFT part (Garth thought we were directly measuring the Forward Compton reaction).
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**Clarify the XEFT part (Garth thought we were directly measuring the Forward Compton reaction). (Simon Širca)
  
  

Revision as of 09:30, 22 April 2020

Present: M.D., A.D., S.Š, J.S.

General: Met on Monday 04/20/2020 with committee members for GlueX proposal review, Garth Huber and Frank Nerling. Very productive meeting. It was based on Mark's talk at the APS.

  • Overall, it seems that Garth and Frank like very much the physics of the proposal and that they (we believe) will provide a positive recommendation. They said they will provide such recommendation within a week.
  • Most of the discussion was on clarifying a number of points, underlying that the proposal needs to be better written. They said that many aspects are probably clear to GDH experts only.
  • The only suggestion that may significantly change the proposal is that Garth and Frank suggested that we propose to take more data (especially adding a deuteron run) at half linac energy, without worrying about scheduling/invasiveness issues. Such run could be done e.g. in summer. They suggested also to discuss this with Eugene or someone from the management to confirm that it is not going to hurts the proposal to ask for such beam time. Another thing to clarify here is whether such data is (easily) obtainable from the CLAS 6 GeV runs.
  • List of points to clarify re. the proposal:
    • Change (M. Dalton):
      • "Primary goal" to "Early goal" (meaning what we can learn with an easy analysis)
      • "Secondary goal" to "longer term goal" (meaning it involves a more complicated analysis)
    • Clarify that the proton GDH running integral has overshot the sum rule predictions and while the missing part is expected to be negative from Regge, the evidence for that from ELSA data is anecdotal. (M. Dalton)
    • Add the running integral plot to the proposal (make the running integral for the neutron), with the LEGS data included. Specify that this is all the data available so far. (M. Dalton)
    • Clarify that our simulated prediction of the proposed measurement were obtained using the best Regge estimate available. It was unclear to Garth and Frank what was in the simulated data. (M. Dalton)
    • Instead, or in addition, to Fig. 1, use the PDG figure that show the pomeron-related increase of the unpolarized cross-section. (M. Dalton)
    • The illustration based on Fig. 1 on what we would have missed (the divergence of the unpolarized integral) if unpolarized data stopped at 2.9 GeV seems to not have been clear to Garth and Frank. (M. Dalton)
    • Clarify and extend the discussion on the 25% improvement of accuracy for the verification on the proton GDH sum rule. (A. Deur)
    • Illustration of what we could learn about quark substructure:
      • Make it more prominent in the introduction.
      • Mention it in the conclusion
      • Instead (or in addition) of assuming that we will find that the sum rule is valid, and computing the compositeness limit within this assumption, discuss what we would learn on quark compositeness if the sum rule is violated by, say, 3σ. (A. Deur)
    • Remove in details on HDice. (Just say we are using FROST, unless a bigger program warrant the use of HDice) (A. Deur)
    • Clarify that the 3 PS settings are different from the (unique) tagger setting. (M. Dalton)
    • Clarify the XEFT part (Garth thought we were directly measuring the Forward Compton reaction). (Simon Širca)


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