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J. S.:
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J. S.: TAC reports are expected around July 20th.
  
 
A. D.:  
 
A. D.:  
*Remembered why so far the GDH data on neutron have not been published in spite of the available deuteron data from MAMI/ELSA. This is because of the very large contribution from the deuteron 2-body breakup at very low nu. With the 1/nu weighting, it cancels almost exactly the resonance+large nu part and accurately correcting for it to get the neutron information is very delicate without a very good model of the deuteron structure, see  [https://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0006083 the study by H. Arenhövel] concluding that "''It is very doubtful, if not impossible, that one can extract in a simple manner the neutron spin asymmetry from the spin asymmetry of the deuteron.''" [https://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0407058 A later paper] confirms this stating "''This means that a direct experimental access to the neutron spin asymme- try from a measurement of the spin asymmetry of the deuteron by subtracting the one of the free proton is not possible. On the other hand, polarization data of me- son production on the deuteron certainly will provide a more detailed test of meson production on the neutron and thus, in an indirect manner, on its spin asymmetry.''" This is a problem for the MAMI/ELSA data, but less for us because at large nu, the problematic contribution from the 2-body breakup is gone. Therefore, our extraction of the neutron information will be reliable and
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*Remembered why so far the GDH data on neutron have not been published in spite of the available deuteron data from MAMI/ELSA. This is because of the very large contribution from deuteron 2-body breakup at very low nu. With the 1/nu weighting, the 2-body breakup cancels almost exactly the resonance+large nu part. Accurately correcting for it to get the neutron information is very delicate without a very good model of the deuteron structure, see  [https://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0006083 the study by H. Arenhövel] concluding that "''It is very doubtful, if not impossible, that one can extract in a simple manner the neutron spin asymmetry from the spin asymmetry of the deuteron.''" [https://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0407058 A later paper] confirms this stating "''This means that a direct experimental access to the neutron spin asymme- try from a measurement of the spin asymmetry of the deuteron by subtracting the one of the free proton is not possible. On the other hand, polarization data of me- son production on the deuteron certainly will provide a more detailed test of meson production on the neutron and thus, in an indirect manner, on its spin asymmetry.''" This is a problem for the MAMI/ELSA data, but less for us because at large nu, the problematic contribution from the 2-body breakup is gone. Therefore, our extraction of the neutron information will be reliable, and consequently:
** The short-term goal of the proposal (studying the convergence) is unaffected by the issue;   
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** The short-term goal of the proposal (studying the sum convergence) is unaffected by the issue;   
** The longer term goal for the neutron (test of the GDH sum rule) is affected by the issue but there are solutions: instead of complementing the possibly problematic MAMI/ELSA data, we can complement the JLab electroproduction on neutron from 3He data extrapolated to Q=0 (the 3He data does not suffer from this problem). Since the electroproduction data are also limited to below 1.7 GeV (photoproduction max nu is 1.8 GeV) the point of the longer term goal remains. Furthermore, the development of models and expected data on the deuteron 2-body breakup from HIγS may
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** The longer term goal for the neutron (test of the GDH sum rule) is somewhat affected by the issue, but there are solutions:  
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***instead of complementing the possibly problematic MAMI/ELSA data, we can complement the JLab electroproduction data on neutron from 3He, extrapolated to Q=0 (the 3He data does not suffer from this problem). Since the electroproduction data are also limited to nu < 1.7 GeV (to compare to photoproduction: nu < 1.8 GeV) the point of the longer term goal remains.  
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***The development of models and expected data on the deuteron 2-body breakup from HIγS may solve the issue for the deuteron photoproduction data.
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*Got a message from Eugene regarding target polarization with spins anti-parallel to the solenoid B-field. Answered that it was possible to do, but with 1/2 the relation time of the parallel configuration. This is still 1400h so it is no issue for the short GDH run time.

Revision as of 10:13, 8 July 2020

Present: M.D., A.D., J.S., S.Š

General:

M.D:

S.Š: (By email):

I have coded the unpolarized Bethe-Heitler cross-section for a nuclear (carbon) target, and the result is shown in the attached figure in orange: the elastic part (dotted), the elastic+quasielastic (dashed) and the elastic+quasielastic+inelastic = total (full curve). I used the parameterizations (B49), (B52,53) and (B56,57) from Tsai (1974).

Now how does that compare to the free proton case? For now the only meaningful comparison I was able to make was in the elastic part. Assuming (B49) for the nuclear elastic form-factor I learn that this scales as mass*Z^2 (!!!). So I have multiplied the elastic part of free-proton Bethe-Heitler by 12*36 (!!!) and got the green dotted line.

Am I telling you that we should have multiplied the proton BH cross-sections by 12*36 = 432 instead of 6 or 12 ?? I was hoping that the target mass ("mi" in the paper) cancels somewhere, but it does not seem so. In Eq. (2.1), for instance, there is a mi in the numerator, but (k*pi) in the denominator is just Egamma*mi, so both mi cancel. So there is this unfortunate 12 in the form-factor and there is a 36 factor due to the charge in (B49), I am afraid, unless I am missing something.

It is harder to compare the inelastic parts on the same plot, as these scale linearly with Z, as in (B52,53) and (B56,57).


J. S.: TAC reports are expected around July 20th.

A. D.:

  • Remembered why so far the GDH data on neutron have not been published in spite of the available deuteron data from MAMI/ELSA. This is because of the very large contribution from deuteron 2-body breakup at very low nu. With the 1/nu weighting, the 2-body breakup cancels almost exactly the resonance+large nu part. Accurately correcting for it to get the neutron information is very delicate without a very good model of the deuteron structure, see the study by H. Arenhövel concluding that "It is very doubtful, if not impossible, that one can extract in a simple manner the neutron spin asymmetry from the spin asymmetry of the deuteron." A later paper confirms this stating "This means that a direct experimental access to the neutron spin asymme- try from a measurement of the spin asymmetry of the deuteron by subtracting the one of the free proton is not possible. On the other hand, polarization data of me- son production on the deuteron certainly will provide a more detailed test of meson production on the neutron and thus, in an indirect manner, on its spin asymmetry." This is a problem for the MAMI/ELSA data, but less for us because at large nu, the problematic contribution from the 2-body breakup is gone. Therefore, our extraction of the neutron information will be reliable, and consequently:
    • The short-term goal of the proposal (studying the sum convergence) is unaffected by the issue;
    • The longer term goal for the neutron (test of the GDH sum rule) is somewhat affected by the issue, but there are solutions:
      • instead of complementing the possibly problematic MAMI/ELSA data, we can complement the JLab electroproduction data on neutron from 3He, extrapolated to Q=0 (the 3He data does not suffer from this problem). Since the electroproduction data are also limited to nu < 1.7 GeV (to compare to photoproduction: nu < 1.8 GeV) the point of the longer term goal remains.
      • The development of models and expected data on the deuteron 2-body breakup from HIγS may solve the issue for the deuteron photoproduction data.
  • Got a message from Eugene regarding target polarization with spins anti-parallel to the solenoid B-field. Answered that it was possible to do, but with 1/2 the relation time of the parallel configuration. This is still 1400h so it is no issue for the short GDH run time.