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# Review [[GlueX Target Meeting, April 12, 2011#Minutes|minutes from previous meeting]]: all
 
# Review [[GlueX Target Meeting, April 12, 2011#Minutes|minutes from previous meeting]]: all
 
# Target Work Reports: all
 
# Target Work Reports: all
#* Target Requirements [http://www.jlab.org/~whitey/Target/ Target Requirements] [http://www.jlab.org/~vgr/TARGET/ Target Layout]
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#* Target Requirements [https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/Hall%20D%20Target%20Requirements.docx Target Requirements] [https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/GlueX%20Target%20General%20Layout-Sketch-1.pdf Target Layout]
#* Target P&I Diagrams
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#* [https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/p_and_i_target.pdf Target P&I Diagrams]
 
# MOU status: Mark
 
# MOU status: Mark
  
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==Slides==
 
==Slides==
  
Talks can be deposited in the directory <code>/group/halld/www/halldweb1/html/talks/2011-2Q</code> on the JLab CUE. This directory is accessible from the web at https://halldweb1.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/ .
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Talks can be deposited in the directory <code>/group/halld/www/halldweb/html/talks/2011-2Q</code> on the JLab CUE. This directory is accessible from the web at https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/ .
  
 
=Minutes=
 
=Minutes=
  
Present: Hovanes Egiyan, Jim Fochtman, Mark Ito, Chris Keith, Tim Whitatch
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Present: Hovanes Egiyan, Jim Fochtman, Mark Ito, Chris Keith, Tim Whitlatch
  
• 500 gauss on cold head is max. Is this ok
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==Requirements==
• cool in one shift
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• average diameter of target: is that OK? needs to be decided
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• length of target: can this be finalized
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• Max OD of scattering chamber driven by start counter, CDC in turn
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• what is alignment requirement for target?
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• how well do we have to know the density of the liquid
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Additional requirements
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We went over the [https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/Hall%20D%20Target%20Requirements.docx target requirements list] that Tim prepared. The following items came up in discussion:
  
• quality of scattering chamber vacuum: prevent freezing material on target
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* Five hundred Gauss on the cold head is maximum according to the manufacturer. Is this OK?
• flammable gas compatible
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* We want to be able to cool the target in one shift.
• interlock nearby electrical systems/ignition sources if target cell ruptures
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* The average diameter of the target is spec'ed at 2 cm. Is that OK?
∘ hydrogen gas sensors will be needed
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* Length of target is 40 cm: can this be finalized?
∘ pressure switch on vacuum chamber
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* The maximum OD of the scattering chamber driven by start counter and that is driven in turn by the CDC.
• stainless steel tubing
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* What is the alignment requirement for target?
• welding whenever possible
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* How well do we have to know the density of the liquid?
  
P&I
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Additional requirements were raised in the discussion:
  
• Tanks outside connect to single line
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* specification of quality of scattering chamber vacuum (prevent freezing material on target)
• vent line to go outside hall, manual valve
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* flammable gas compatibility of system
vacuum pump needs explosion proof motoer
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* interlock of nearby electrical systems and/or ignition sources if target cell ruptures
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** hydrogen gas sensors will be needed
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** pressure switch on vacuum chamber
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* specify stainless steel tubing
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* specify welding whenever possible
  
P&I 2
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==Drawings==
  
• mount gas panel outside hall, changing gas could be done without access, still manual
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Tim showed the current [https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/GlueX%20Target%20General%20Layout-Sketch-1.pdf drawing of the target, scattering chamber, and start counter area] from Slava.
  
Other considerations
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==P&ID==
  
• could put gas panel and control electronics in the "target" rack
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We looked over the two versions of a [https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/p_and_i_target.pdf piping and instrumentation diagram] for the target that Chris prepared
• electronics
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∘ temperature controller
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∘ nice: local visual read-back for pressure transducers
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∘ turbo controller for scattering chamber
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∘ vacuum gauge controller
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• these designs allow automatic transition to gas in cell, but not vacuum
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Next frontier
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* Hydrogen and deuterium tanks outside connect to a single line going to the Hall.
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* A vent line goes outside hall; a manual valve is provided.
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* The vacuum pump needs an explosion-proof motor.
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* In the second version, the gas panel is mounted outside hall so changing gas could be done without access to the Hall. It would still be manual operation.
  
mechanical design for target condenser, cell, scattering chamber
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Other considerations:
may not want to have cold head to provide mechanical support
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Jim will contact Chris to work out issues before the next meeting
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* We could put gas panel and control electronics in the "target" rack.
 +
* Electronics needed:
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** temperature controller
 +
** local visual read-back for pressure transducers would be nice to have
 +
** turbo controller for scattering chamber
 +
** vacuum gauge controller
 +
* These designs allow automatic transition to cold gas in the target cell, but not to vacuum.
 +
 
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==Next Area of Work==
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* The next step is to work on the mechanical design for target condenser, cell, scattering chamber.
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* We may not want to have the cold head provide any mechanical support; copper braid could provide flexible thermal coupling.
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* Jim will contact Chris to work out issues before the next meeting

Latest revision as of 20:36, 31 March 2015

Location, Time

Tuesday, May 17, 2011
1:00 pm EST
JLab: CEBAF Center, Room F224/225

Agenda

  1. Review minutes from previous meeting: all
  2. Target Work Reports: all
  3. MOU status: Mark

Communication

Telephone

To connect by telephone:

  1. dial:
  2. enter access code followed by the # sign: 3421244#

Slides

Talks can be deposited in the directory /group/halld/www/halldweb/html/talks/2011-2Q on the JLab CUE. This directory is accessible from the web at https://halldweb.jlab.org/talks/2011-2Q/ .

Minutes

Present: Hovanes Egiyan, Jim Fochtman, Mark Ito, Chris Keith, Tim Whitlatch

Requirements

We went over the target requirements list that Tim prepared. The following items came up in discussion:

  • Five hundred Gauss on the cold head is maximum according to the manufacturer. Is this OK?
  • We want to be able to cool the target in one shift.
  • The average diameter of the target is spec'ed at 2 cm. Is that OK?
  • Length of target is 40 cm: can this be finalized?
  • The maximum OD of the scattering chamber driven by start counter and that is driven in turn by the CDC.
  • What is the alignment requirement for target?
  • How well do we have to know the density of the liquid?

Additional requirements were raised in the discussion:

  • specification of quality of scattering chamber vacuum (prevent freezing material on target)
  • flammable gas compatibility of system
  • interlock of nearby electrical systems and/or ignition sources if target cell ruptures
    • hydrogen gas sensors will be needed
    • pressure switch on vacuum chamber
  • specify stainless steel tubing
  • specify welding whenever possible

Drawings

Tim showed the current drawing of the target, scattering chamber, and start counter area from Slava.

P&ID

We looked over the two versions of a piping and instrumentation diagram for the target that Chris prepared

  • Hydrogen and deuterium tanks outside connect to a single line going to the Hall.
  • A vent line goes outside hall; a manual valve is provided.
  • The vacuum pump needs an explosion-proof motor.
  • In the second version, the gas panel is mounted outside hall so changing gas could be done without access to the Hall. It would still be manual operation.

Other considerations:

  • We could put gas panel and control electronics in the "target" rack.
  • Electronics needed:
    • temperature controller
    • local visual read-back for pressure transducers would be nice to have
    • turbo controller for scattering chamber
    • vacuum gauge controller
  • These designs allow automatic transition to cold gas in the target cell, but not to vacuum.

Next Area of Work

  • The next step is to work on the mechanical design for target condenser, cell, scattering chamber.
  • We may not want to have the cold head provide any mechanical support; copper braid could provide flexible thermal coupling.
  • Jim will contact Chris to work out issues before the next meeting