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# Announcements
 
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# Prototyping
 
# Prototyping
 
# Simulations
 
# Simulations
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# Discussions on MOU with USM
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= Minutes =
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Attending: Elton, Sasha, Tim, Eugene, Beni, George, Will, Irina, Andrei <br>
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# Announcements
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# Review of Action Items
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#* Reviewed and updated.
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#* Shipment of Bcal wedge from Edmonton expected next week. After careful measurements of fiber pitch can make this available to Chile for prototype tests
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#* Beni has made an inventory of fibers at JLab. Will to decide how many are needed for prototyping and see if fibers purchased previous to first-articles can be used.
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#* Unclear precisely what items 3 and 4 were. Will will make a detailed plan for prototyping for feedback. George emphasized that using cosmics provides a useful testbed for understanding the energy deposition and can be used to cross check calculations.
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# [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/software/wiki/images/c/c4/Report21May2009.pdf USM report (Will)]
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#* Estimates of components to the resolution were presented and discussed.
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#* Threshold was discussed. Eugene pointed out that noise is important when considering the threshold.
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#* The floor term was discussed. Arises due to leakage, and calibration issues. There are differences that are expected between the prototype and the final detector. Eugene suggested that 2% is to be expected for a large number of channels. Non-uniformities and how well these can be calibrated plays a role in that term.
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#* Andrei: The 'a' term changes by about 20% between 90deg and 20deg according to simulations.
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# Discussion of readout options
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#* Time for internal review (end of June / beginning of July)? Tentative date set for July 14.
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#* Number of photons per GeV (Sasha and Elton)
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#** Elton presented a summary of numbers already documented.
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#* Budget comparison (Elton)
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#** Table of budgets (from last fall) was shown. Eugene: The FM option is nominally 350k more expensive, but assumed $0.4k/SiPM. The balance may change if the SiPMs are more expensive than this initial estimate. Therefore, this option should still be considered seriously.
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#** A detailed accounting of both options needs to be redone.
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#** Will pointed out that the cooling of SiPMs is not yet included.
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#** Beni noted that the dynamic range might require a change in the channel count for electronics.
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# Location of FM pmts relative to B-field
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# Keepout zones for light guides and magnetic shielding
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#* Elton presented plots of Btot and angles relative to z-axis. It appears that there will be room to place FM pmts (oriented radially) with Btot<0.2T and oriented along the field direction.
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# Simulations (for next time)
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#* Sasha will send a link to studies of energy deposition in the Bcal and present his work next time.
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#* Andrei will complete simulations of number of visible photons per GeV.
 
# Discussions on MOU with USM
 
# Discussions on MOU with USM

Latest revision as of 17:13, 24 February 2017

Teleconference Time: 11:00 a.m. EST

  • EVO session
  • Phone:
    • +1-800-377-8846 : US
    • +1-888-276-7715 : Canada
    • +1-302-709-8424 : International
    • then enter participant code: 39527048# (remember the "#")

Items for followup from previous meeting

  1. Bcal section
    • Zisis will get a quote from Ross machining to find out how much it would cost to polish a segment (both ends)
  2. JLab to determine how many fibers could be spared now to use in this project .
  3. Elton: Feedback to Will on estimate of photons in Bcal . See halld-cal e-mail
  4. Will, update references on "alternative readout page" with those found by Zisis
  5. Zisis, Elton: Suggestion to USM on testing prototype
  6. USM: sketch of test setup to facilitate feedback

Documents to Review

  1. GlueX-doc-1279 Comments for bullets on agenda 5 and 6

Tentative Agenda

  1. Announcements
  2. Review of Action Items
  3. USM report (Will)
  4. Keepout zones for light guides and magnetic shielding
  5. Discussion of readout options
    • Time for internal review (end of June / beginning of July)?
    • Number of photons per GeV (Sasha and Elton)
    • Budget comparison (Elton)
  6. Location of FM pmts relative to B-field
  7. Prototyping
  8. Simulations
  9. Discussions on MOU with USM

Minutes

Attending: Elton, Sasha, Tim, Eugene, Beni, George, Will, Irina, Andrei

  1. Announcements
  2. Review of Action Items
    • Reviewed and updated.
    • Shipment of Bcal wedge from Edmonton expected next week. After careful measurements of fiber pitch can make this available to Chile for prototype tests
    • Beni has made an inventory of fibers at JLab. Will to decide how many are needed for prototyping and see if fibers purchased previous to first-articles can be used.
    • Unclear precisely what items 3 and 4 were. Will will make a detailed plan for prototyping for feedback. George emphasized that using cosmics provides a useful testbed for understanding the energy deposition and can be used to cross check calculations.
  3. USM report (Will)
    • Estimates of components to the resolution were presented and discussed.
    • Threshold was discussed. Eugene pointed out that noise is important when considering the threshold.
    • The floor term was discussed. Arises due to leakage, and calibration issues. There are differences that are expected between the prototype and the final detector. Eugene suggested that 2% is to be expected for a large number of channels. Non-uniformities and how well these can be calibrated plays a role in that term.
    • Andrei: The 'a' term changes by about 20% between 90deg and 20deg according to simulations.
  4. Discussion of readout options
    • Time for internal review (end of June / beginning of July)? Tentative date set for July 14.
    • Number of photons per GeV (Sasha and Elton)
      • Elton presented a summary of numbers already documented.
    • Budget comparison (Elton)
      • Table of budgets (from last fall) was shown. Eugene: The FM option is nominally 350k more expensive, but assumed $0.4k/SiPM. The balance may change if the SiPMs are more expensive than this initial estimate. Therefore, this option should still be considered seriously.
      • A detailed accounting of both options needs to be redone.
      • Will pointed out that the cooling of SiPMs is not yet included.
      • Beni noted that the dynamic range might require a change in the channel count for electronics.
  5. Location of FM pmts relative to B-field
  6. Keepout zones for light guides and magnetic shielding
    • Elton presented plots of Btot and angles relative to z-axis. It appears that there will be room to place FM pmts (oriented radially) with Btot<0.2T and oriented along the field direction.
  7. Simulations (for next time)
    • Sasha will send a link to studies of energy deposition in the Bcal and present his work next time.
    • Andrei will complete simulations of number of visible photons per GeV.
  8. Discussions on MOU with USM
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