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# Electronics update (?)
 
# Electronics update (?)
 
# Testing set-up at EEL126 (Beni)
 
# Testing set-up at EEL126 (Beni)
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# [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/tdr/tdr.pdf TDR] (Lubomir)  
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# Other: [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/tracking/FDC_NamingConvention.pdf naming convention]
 
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Eugene, Mark, Dave, Chris, Vladimir, Simon, and Lubomir.   
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Participants: Bill, Dave, Vladimir, Beni, Mark, and Lubomir.   
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave: Work on second package. Started stringing second wire frame. Chris will put the elements on the first wire plane tomorrow followed by wire deadening. Now gluing the daughter cards on the 3th and 4th cathodes. Anatoly made a board connected to a box that makes it easier to measure the resistance of the strips-daughter board connection. Such measurement is now a standard procedure to check the gluing of the rig-flexes. Problems with the Parker controller: the ADC connected to the laser sensor gives voltages in the range 0-2V instead of 0-10V. Dave will discuss with Larry possible options to fix the problem.
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- Dave on production (see the link above for details): Six cathodes for package#2 ready. Scanning of wire positions: the hardware problem we have with the controller (ADC from the sensor gives numbers in 2V range instead of 10V) was "fixed" by reducing the threshold to 1.8V in the software. Surprisingly now we almost never miss wires; before we had ~10% of filed wires missed. Still, Dave will write a report about the problem that will be sent to Parker (with Larry's help) till the controller is still has warranty. Unfortunately, it may take several weeks to fix the problem and we don't want to do this now.
  
- Lubomir: Fighting with the noise on the top cell of the first package. Before we identified two HV sectors that induce noise on one top and one bottom connector. The noise is induced on the traces leading to the connector, not on the strips itself. The top cathode was first rotated by 15 deg w.r.t. standard position to pin down the point where the noise originates. In the suspected areas three resistors ("big" 1MOhm resistors at the HV side) were replaced, but this didn't help. This morning we rotated the top cathode by 30deg in which case many traces leading to one of the connectors cover the suspected area. In this configuration we were able to pin down the source of the noise with higher precision. For both sectors it is at place where the +HV trace crosses the solid part of the G10 on the wire frame. This is on the back of the boards and after lamination we have no access to this place. So, most likely there will be no fix unless we can rotate the cathodes by 180deg so that the connectors are covering the signal boards, not the HV ones. Most likely the placement of the connectors in this case will create problems, that will be discussed with Bill.   
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- Dave: yesterday we lost one phase at Blue Crab that affected the HVAC system for 2 hours. The particle counts went up to 41,000, but then dropped down to standard (~400) in few hours after the power came back. Bill suspects some dust accumulated in the returned ducks went into the clean room. Ron Bartek is aware of the problem. Fortunately only HVAC was affected and we could finish the electroplating that started before the outage, but we decided to install UPS system to be used for such critical operations. Mark offered a UPS and help to install it at Blue Crab. The UPS will be installed outside the clean room with extension cords going inside.
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- Lubomir: After we found the noise on the top cell of the first package originating from two places on the wire frame (+HV traces on the back of the PCBs) we looked more carefully at the same places in the other cells. Similar noise was found on another two cells but with smaller amplitude and frequency.  We found the frequency of the noise (and interestingly also the dark current) depends somehow on the pressure you apply on the PCB in this area by the torque on the nearby threated rod. Likely explanation is that we have some sparking between the HV traces and the rochacell due to possible scratches or de-lamination of the trace (Bill). In any case the frequency is no more than few hundred Hz which is not a problem.   
  
 
== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- Discussing without Bill the protective covers: aluminum 1/8" thick. Eugene asked why they are so thick so we can't use iron source. Lubomir: we didn't require the possibility to use a source, but actually when testing the package it will be very easy to remove the top cover and do tests with a source. Dave had a concern that the covers are too heavy and may cut the plastic rods, but it turned out that there will be plastic inserts that will cover the rods.  
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- Bill showed a scheme for the positions of the signal connectors in the package; it will be linked to this/next meeting after some update. Related to that, once more we discussed the FDC naming convention linked above.
  
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- Cooling system: need to build tool that will help forming the right tubing diameter (120cm), maybe out of plywood. Casey may do it tomorrow. 
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- Right after the meeting Bill installed the holding brackets on the first package.
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- Gas system: following the discussing on the collaboration meeting yesterday, Lubomir made estimates about the oxygen diffusion into the gas volume due to the open end of the thin tubes used at the output of the cells. The diffusion length per second is less than a cm. The speed in the thin tube is at least 10cm/sec which at 2m length makes the oxygen concentration negligible. Today we tried using one bubbler after the thin tubes, it worked better than without thin tubes, but stopped bubbling after running for ~30 min at a flow of 80 ccpm. Needs further studies.
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== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- Chris: set-up is ready to start testing the first 22 pre-amps manually. It will take several days but Chris will not be at JLab next week. We will look if some of our techs, or Vladimir can do the tests. Chris wanted to know if we can have also additional brackets for the spare pre-amps.  
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- Chris (not at the meeting) will work next week on the pre-amps: installing cooling brackets and testing; possibly Vladimir will help him.
  
 
== Chamber testing at 126  ==
 
== Chamber testing at 126  ==
  
- Beni: need to make 36 twisted pair ribbon cables to be connected between the translator boards and the F1TDCs. Chris will look for the cables and connectors. The production of the translator boards is in the procurement. We should check on this later.
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- Beni: Will get two more VXS crates, need more 20Amp power sockets, Mark will help him.  
  
 
== TDR ==
 
== TDR ==
  
- There's "Tracking" section before the CDC and FDC detectors that Simon will look into it. However, mainly we will concentrate on the FDC description as a detector. Alfetr the meeting Lubomir, Simon, and Eugene discussed the FDC section in more details.
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- Lubomir started working on the FDC part of the TDR, current version will be at the link above, right now very pre-preliminary. Beni suggested to concentrate on the technical description of the detector and just refer to the CDR for the motivations and MC studies.
 
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Latest revision as of 18:51, 3 November 2011

November 3, 2011 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Clean room status
    • Production update
    • First package tests (Lubomir)
  2. Engineering update (Bill)
  3. Electronics update (?)
  4. Testing set-up at EEL126 (Beni)
  5. TDR (Lubomir)
  6. Other: naming convention

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Vladimir, Beni, Mark, and Lubomir.

Production

- Dave on production (see the link above for details): Six cathodes for package#2 ready. Scanning of wire positions: the hardware problem we have with the controller (ADC from the sensor gives numbers in 2V range instead of 10V) was "fixed" by reducing the threshold to 1.8V in the software. Surprisingly now we almost never miss wires; before we had ~10% of filed wires missed. Still, Dave will write a report about the problem that will be sent to Parker (with Larry's help) till the controller is still has warranty. Unfortunately, it may take several weeks to fix the problem and we don't want to do this now.

- Dave: yesterday we lost one phase at Blue Crab that affected the HVAC system for 2 hours. The particle counts went up to 41,000, but then dropped down to standard (~400) in few hours after the power came back. Bill suspects some dust accumulated in the returned ducks went into the clean room. Ron Bartek is aware of the problem. Fortunately only HVAC was affected and we could finish the electroplating that started before the outage, but we decided to install UPS system to be used for such critical operations. Mark offered a UPS and help to install it at Blue Crab. The UPS will be installed outside the clean room with extension cords going inside.

- Lubomir: After we found the noise on the top cell of the first package originating from two places on the wire frame (+HV traces on the back of the PCBs) we looked more carefully at the same places in the other cells. Similar noise was found on another two cells but with smaller amplitude and frequency. We found the frequency of the noise (and interestingly also the dark current) depends somehow on the pressure you apply on the PCB in this area by the torque on the nearby threated rod. Likely explanation is that we have some sparking between the HV traces and the rochacell due to possible scratches or de-lamination of the trace (Bill). In any case the frequency is no more than few hundred Hz which is not a problem.

Engineering

- Bill showed a scheme for the positions of the signal connectors in the package; it will be linked to this/next meeting after some update. Related to that, once more we discussed the FDC naming convention linked above.

- Cooling system: need to build tool that will help forming the right tubing diameter (120cm), maybe out of plywood. Casey may do it tomorrow.

- Right after the meeting Bill installed the holding brackets on the first package.

- Gas system: following the discussing on the collaboration meeting yesterday, Lubomir made estimates about the oxygen diffusion into the gas volume due to the open end of the thin tubes used at the output of the cells. The diffusion length per second is less than a cm. The speed in the thin tube is at least 10cm/sec which at 2m length makes the oxygen concentration negligible. Today we tried using one bubbler after the thin tubes, it worked better than without thin tubes, but stopped bubbling after running for ~30 min at a flow of 80 ccpm. Needs further studies.

Electronics

- Chris (not at the meeting) will work next week on the pre-amps: installing cooling brackets and testing; possibly Vladimir will help him.

Chamber testing at 126

- Beni: Will get two more VXS crates, need more 20Amp power sockets, Mark will help him.

TDR

- Lubomir started working on the FDC part of the TDR, current version will be at the link above, right now very pre-preliminary. Beni suggested to concentrate on the technical description of the detector and just refer to the CDR for the motivations and MC studies.