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# Basis of Estimate for the FDC [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/budget/BOE_FDC_020713.xls activities]  [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/budget/FDC_cabling_manhours.xls cabling manhours] (Lubomir, Bill, Dave)
 
# Basis of Estimate for the FDC [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/budget/BOE_FDC_020713.xls activities]  [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/budget/FDC_cabling_manhours.xls cabling manhours] (Lubomir, Bill, Dave)
 
# Corrosion tests at MePhi [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi_results1.xlsx latest results] (Lubomir)
 
# Corrosion tests at MePhi [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/corrosion/mephi_results1.xlsx latest results] (Lubomir)
# Engineering [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-1007.pdf],  [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-1008.pdf],[http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303]-1010.pdf, [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-2020.pdf],  [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303]-2021.pdf, [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-2022.pdf] (Bill)
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# Engineering [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-1007.pdf],  [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-1008.pdf], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-1010.pdf], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-2020.pdf],  [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-2021.pdf], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/drawings/D000001303-2022.pdf] (Bill)
 
# Electronics (Nick)
 
# Electronics (Nick)
# Tests at EEL126 [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
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# Tests at EEL126 [https://halldweb.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Eugene, Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.
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Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave: Spare parts:about 70% are done (see the link above). Tina, Dave and Casey worked last Saturday to catch up with the foil gluing. Dave got an estimate from Vision Machine for two new spacer rings and making a grove on a type-2 cathode frame. Eugene agreed to add to this request also two spacer rings that are 3.5cm thick, these are needed for the proof-of-principle of the cluster counting with FDC. Eugene requested a page explaining the need for this.  
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- Dave for the spare parts: some issues with tensioning mylar on type-2 cathode: bubbles appeared and mylar has to be replaced. Tina will come again this week(end?) to finish the cutting of all the foils needed for the spare cathodes. Casey and Dave will string the last wire frame. On Monday Chris will put the components on the second last wire frame.
  
- Lubomir for package #2: all the channels were tested and are working fine, except noise was found on wire #37 of cell #2 (same wire that was replaced before). Same noise is visible on the top and bottom strips intersecting in one point close to the middle. On Monday we opened the package and Casey tried to clean that place and we closed the package with 5 cells. On Tuesday we found the source of the noise moved by 5cm and Casey did another attempt to clean it. On Wednesday
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- Lubomir for package #2: despite replacing sense wire 37 on W010 (second cell), it showed a noise this time very close to the HV end (Down strip #15, Upper strip #3). On Monday we opened the package for a fourth time. During this operation, an O-ring with Apizon fell at the periphery of the top cell wire plane (W012) close to the signal side in the region of wire #76-89. Casey cleaned it with alcohol and later we checked this place with a source: no difference in the signals found. We put W010 on the stringing table and looked with the web-camera at the "noisy" place. There were some balls on the one of the field wires next to sense 37 and we cleaned it (applying some pressure with q-tips on both sides of the wire). We installed w012 in the second cell and put w010 on the top, just in case we have to open it again. This time the noise disappeared; all the channels that were re-installed were tested again and all are working fine. Next week we will continue with the ground installation.
we found again it moved by 2cm and decided to replace the wire. Casey and Dave replaced and checked the wire position and tension. Interestingly, the new wire was parallel to the old ones at <10 microns level at +/-20cm from the center. That means the strong-back didn't move since this old wire frame (#10) was strung. We looked also at the wire with a microscope at that place: tiny fiber around the wire seamed to be visible and looked darker. After the meeting we installed the last two cells of the package.
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- Additional parts to build one spare package: we realized we can re-use two spacer rings from the full-scale prototype and don't have to order them ($1.6k). Bill will look at the drawings to confirm this. They don't have guage holes but can be drilled. Bill got a quotation for the two 35mm spacer rings (to test the helium drift chamber concept) at about the same $1.6k. We will submit one PR for all the parts.
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- Started testing some of the very old wire frames (W003 and W006) in a separate set-up with two Lexan sheets and a spacer ring. We need just one of them to be holding HV to have 6 spares.
  
 
== Basis of Estimate for the FDC ==
 
== Basis of Estimate for the FDC ==
  
- The BOE linked above is now more complete and includes estimates also for the installations. Bill, Dave and Lubomir discussed all the items and modified the document significantly. There are now two testing procedures for the packages. One, as it was in the original schedule "Final Assy. and Testing" which is what we have done already with two packages, i.e. partially testing using 2 fADC125. The second is the full tests with all the electronics needed for one package, that is not in the schedule. Beni will also look at the testing procedures in the BOE. Eugene requested breakdown of the man-weeks in different types (techs, scientists, engineers).
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- New version of the BOE is linked above with the breakdown of the man-weeks. During the discussions Bill added for some activities the engineer-weeks.
  
== Corrosion test ==
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== Corrosion test at MePhi ==
  
- Vlad made a very good progress at MePhi with the tests. The description of his new set-up is attached. First test is at 100degC and 100% humidity and he had the two EPDM samples failed already in 6/24 hours. At Blue Crab first EPDM failed in 8 days. This could be due to the air pollution at Moscow, or that at Blue Crab we didn't have maximum humidity (Bill).
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- Already 10 days Viton and Viton+Apiezon samples are OK, while the EPDMs failed on the first day. Vlad wants to keep the test running till the two Viton+Apiezon samples die.
 
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- The plan will be to continue with the test for a couple of weeks and then switch to lower temperature.
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== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- Bill showed the pictures linked above, explaining the test of the cooling system: will have one full loop with pre-amps and will simulate the impedances of the rest. Bill is also working on the tube bending procedure.
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- Bill is working on the procedure to cut the cooling tubes and install the manifolds there. He is considering using non-conductive tube connection at some places to avoid closed current loops. Some modifications of the cooling loops may be needed for cells 5 and 6.
 
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- Survey of the installation carts at Blue Crab. Bill and Dave explained the problem: supporting the carts and different positions (where the wheels are, and 20 cm away from them) results in 0.5mm deformation of the frame at the rails. Bill is afraid that when we load the cart with all the packages and cables (155kg) it will deform and the rails will no longer be aligned. While inserting the FDC the positions of the packages as surveyed outside of the magnet, may change. As a first step, Bill wants to load a cart with 155kg and survey again the rails.  
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== Electronics ==
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- Three pre-amp cards from the second and fourth packages have a problematic channel: either lower gain or no signal. Nick will give us new cards for replacement.  
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- Bill showed more pictures (linked above) for the test of the cooling system. The best place to do the test is at 126; need some kind of water chiller.
 
    
 
    
 
== Tests at EEL126 ==
 
== Tests at EEL126 ==
  
- Beni: fixed the bad TDC and now all the wires are seen at the same time; there are two noisy wires at the present threshold (5V). Beni is taking fADC data now with 2150V/-500V and one HV channel tripped (C3HV4). The current was ~1.7 uA but went down to ~0.7uA on this channel and is stable.  
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- On Tuesday we moved the fourth package from EEL to Blue Crab, took the strong-back and hubs, installed them the first package that we transported to EEL for testing. The gas is OK and after the meeting HV was set on all the package successfully.  
  
- The plans is to finish with the testing of package #4 and bring package #1 to EEl126 on Monday.
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== Other ==
  
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- Dave is setting a place at the ARC building to work on the gas system control using the Brooks flow controllers.

Latest revision as of 00:14, 1 April 2015

February 7, 2013 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Package #2 testing (Lubomir)
  2. Basis of Estimate for the FDC activities cabling manhours (Lubomir, Bill, Dave)
  3. Corrosion tests at MePhi latest results (Lubomir)
  4. Engineering [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] (Bill)
  5. Electronics (Nick)
  6. Tests at EEL126 FDC E-log (Beni)
  7. Other

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.

Production

- Dave for the spare parts: some issues with tensioning mylar on type-2 cathode: bubbles appeared and mylar has to be replaced. Tina will come again this week(end?) to finish the cutting of all the foils needed for the spare cathodes. Casey and Dave will string the last wire frame. On Monday Chris will put the components on the second last wire frame.

- Lubomir for package #2: despite replacing sense wire 37 on W010 (second cell), it showed a noise this time very close to the HV end (Down strip #15, Upper strip #3). On Monday we opened the package for a fourth time. During this operation, an O-ring with Apizon fell at the periphery of the top cell wire plane (W012) close to the signal side in the region of wire #76-89. Casey cleaned it with alcohol and later we checked this place with a source: no difference in the signals found. We put W010 on the stringing table and looked with the web-camera at the "noisy" place. There were some balls on the one of the field wires next to sense 37 and we cleaned it (applying some pressure with q-tips on both sides of the wire). We installed w012 in the second cell and put w010 on the top, just in case we have to open it again. This time the noise disappeared; all the channels that were re-installed were tested again and all are working fine. Next week we will continue with the ground installation.

- Additional parts to build one spare package: we realized we can re-use two spacer rings from the full-scale prototype and don't have to order them ($1.6k). Bill will look at the drawings to confirm this. They don't have guage holes but can be drilled. Bill got a quotation for the two 35mm spacer rings (to test the helium drift chamber concept) at about the same $1.6k. We will submit one PR for all the parts.

- Started testing some of the very old wire frames (W003 and W006) in a separate set-up with two Lexan sheets and a spacer ring. We need just one of them to be holding HV to have 6 spares.

Basis of Estimate for the FDC

- New version of the BOE is linked above with the breakdown of the man-weeks. During the discussions Bill added for some activities the engineer-weeks.

Corrosion test at MePhi

- Already 10 days Viton and Viton+Apiezon samples are OK, while the EPDMs failed on the first day. Vlad wants to keep the test running till the two Viton+Apiezon samples die.

Engineering

- Bill is working on the procedure to cut the cooling tubes and install the manifolds there. He is considering using non-conductive tube connection at some places to avoid closed current loops. Some modifications of the cooling loops may be needed for cells 5 and 6.

- Bill showed more pictures (linked above) for the test of the cooling system. The best place to do the test is at 126; need some kind of water chiller.

Tests at EEL126

- On Tuesday we moved the fourth package from EEL to Blue Crab, took the strong-back and hubs, installed them the first package that we transported to EEL for testing. The gas is OK and after the meeting HV was set on all the package successfully.

Other

- Dave is setting a place at the ARC building to work on the gas system control using the Brooks flow controllers.