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- PCBs: some minor modifications have been done and the design is now final. Kim got quotes from San Francisco Circuits ($76K) and CEM ($41K) for 28 of each board. Both are bellow our budget ($98K). CEM has special notes: quotation based on using FR4 instead of G10 material (not acceptable!) and that the flatness specs may not be achievable. Bill, Brian and Fernando discussed what is our actual flatness requirement. Kim expects one more quotation.  
 
- PCBs: some minor modifications have been done and the design is now final. Kim got quotes from San Francisco Circuits ($76K) and CEM ($41K) for 28 of each board. Both are bellow our budget ($98K). CEM has special notes: quotation based on using FR4 instead of G10 material (not acceptable!) and that the flatness specs may not be achievable. Bill, Brian and Fernando discussed what is our actual flatness requirement. Kim expects one more quotation.  
  
- The "power outage test" last Friday showed that the source of the oscillations is not external. After all the power was shut down at 6pm, the oscillations remained exactly the same as before. Same test was repeated on Monday early in the morning when the scope showed only few mV (on 10MOhm probe) random noise, and the result was the same. We moved the chamber back in the tent for testing. Lubomir did some investigations: the old cathode board had no oscillations when the cable was grounded properly. All of the new cathode boards showed oscillations that were reduced significantly in amplitude when grounding the cable from the chamber side. The oscillations are stronger at one side of the card; the speculation is that the line used for calibration that goes to the input of the preamplifier that is at the same side may be responsible for the feedback. If nothing else works, Lubomir suggested to reduce the amplification of the new cathode cards so that they can be used for the prototype tests.
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- The "power outage test" last Friday showed that the source of the oscillations is not external. After all the power was shut down at 6pm, the oscillations remained exactly the same as before. Same test was repeated on Monday early in the morning when the scope showed only few mV (on 10MOhm probe) random noise, and the result was the same. We moved the chamber back in the tent for testing. Lubomir did some investigations: the old cathode board had no oscillations when the cable was grounded properly. All of the new cathode boards showed oscillations that were reduced significantly in amplitude when grounding the cable from the chamber side. The oscillations are stronger at one side of the card; the speculation is that the line used for calibration that goes to the input of the preamplifier that is at the same side may be responsible for the feedback. If nothing else works, Lubomir suggested to reduce the amplification of the new cathode cards so that they can be used for the prototype tests. Fernando will be testing the cards tomorrow (Friday).
 
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== Cathode redesign ==
 
== Cathode redesign ==
  
- Roger discussed the plots attached above. Everybody agreed on the design of the beam hole (first plot). had several questions related to the ground of the cathode daughter board (flex) design, and also the strip labels.
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- Roger discussed the plots attached above. Everybody agreed on the design of the beam hole (first plot). Roger used the unused corners of the foil to place connectors on which one can exercise the soldering. Roger showed the modifications he did and got several suggestions from Bill and Fernando.
  
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==  Cosmic tests ==
  
- Bill explained the proposed design of the cable bundles and the installation procedure. Still, we have to decide about the total number of cables and get accurate info about their sizes. This includes 528 (+ 24/48spare?) signal cables, 264 thin low voltage cables, 8 HV cables, 4 grounding cables, 48 gas pipes, 8? cooling lines. We are considering also to do some prototype cable bundles to make sure it works. Expect more discussion on the next meeting.
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- In the last week tests with cosmics we were able to use only the anode cards. Beni showed several plots demonstrating that one can still get important information from these runs. The drift time spectra look much better compared to results from the Sr source tests: there's almost no tail at the end of the spectrum. Few runs were taken with two chambers with parallel wires, one on the top of the other. Beni showed the hit correlations between the two chambers and used this configuration to estimate the wire efficiencies. They are close to 100%, except at the end (shortest wires) where it is down by ~5%.
  
==  Full scale prototype ==
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- Beni plans to include one of the chambers in the tracking, to predict the position of the track on the second chamber. He will also look at the correlation between the timing difference of the wires from the two chambers and the slope of the track as defined by the IU chambers.
  
- At the end of the last week, the the three-layer package was lifted from the table, holding it only on the two supporting brackets to check for gas leakages due to possible deformations. After it passed this test, we mounted the chamber at the testing set-up. We were able to bubble the three layers again at 210cc/min. We had several runs with comics.
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== Other ==
  
- We have a problem: there are oscillations at the output of the pre-amps especially at the cathode cards. The oscillations are stronger in amplitude for the longest strips. Fernando, Beni and Lubomir have tried different configurations to investigate the problem: old/new cards, different kinds of shielding both of the detector and of the cards,  improving the ground on the cards, etc. For now, there are no conclusive results. Fernando found that there's an external noise with the same frequency that can be picked up by the strips. The origin of this noise has not been identified. We will make use of the power outage on Friday, to check if the oscillations are there when the power is down; we will use the UPS for the low voltage and the scope. We agreed, the study of the oscillations will be our priority. If necessary, on Monday we will move the chamber back in the tent, where it is easier to investigate the problem.
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- There will be two FDC talks at the Collaboration meeting: Lubomir will present the FDC status, and Beni will talk about the tests (cosmics and source) with the full-scale prototype.
 
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- Beni did several tests with cosmics at the top and middle layers. Only the information from the wires is useful because of the above problem. He's going to correlate the tracks form the IU chamber and the hits at our chambers, and also to look at the wire response of the top two chambers that we installed with the wires parallel to each other.
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== Other ==
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- Eugene wanted to have the latest floor plan and main parameters for the off-site space. He also wanted to make sure we have a task for the UVA student this summer.
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- At the open house, this Saturday,
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Revision as of 17:21, 29 April 2010

April 29, 2010 FDC meeting


Tentative Agenda

  1. Production space
  2. Electronics
    • PCB (Kim, Fernando)
    • grounding/oscillation tests (Lubomir)
  3. Cathode redesign (Roger) beam hole, fdc left, cathode adapter
  4. Cosmic tests (Beni)
  5. Other
    • talks at the Collaboration meeting
    • open house



Minutes

Participants: Fernando, Casey, Roger, Brian, Glenn, Bill, Kim, Simon, Beni, Eugene, Lubomir

Production space

- Tim is the contact person from our side for the 727 B.C. property. He will meet with Rusty to discuss our requirements and all the details. There was a meeting with the network people from the computer center. They will organize the network using their equipment. We will pay for the COX business connection.

- A document has been created (attached above) with the intention to list all the steps of the FDC production and describe them in terms of manpower and time. Lubomir will seek help from Brian and Mark to estimate the manpower required for each step. The wire stringing procedure will be based on the UVA experience. Then Bill will review the document and we will continue with creating a flowchart of the production.

Electronics

- PCBs: some minor modifications have been done and the design is now final. Kim got quotes from San Francisco Circuits ($76K) and CEM ($41K) for 28 of each board. Both are bellow our budget ($98K). CEM has special notes: quotation based on using FR4 instead of G10 material (not acceptable!) and that the flatness specs may not be achievable. Bill, Brian and Fernando discussed what is our actual flatness requirement. Kim expects one more quotation.

- The "power outage test" last Friday showed that the source of the oscillations is not external. After all the power was shut down at 6pm, the oscillations remained exactly the same as before. Same test was repeated on Monday early in the morning when the scope showed only few mV (on 10MOhm probe) random noise, and the result was the same. We moved the chamber back in the tent for testing. Lubomir did some investigations: the old cathode board had no oscillations when the cable was grounded properly. All of the new cathode boards showed oscillations that were reduced significantly in amplitude when grounding the cable from the chamber side. The oscillations are stronger at one side of the card; the speculation is that the line used for calibration that goes to the input of the preamplifier that is at the same side may be responsible for the feedback. If nothing else works, Lubomir suggested to reduce the amplification of the new cathode cards so that they can be used for the prototype tests. Fernando will be testing the cards tomorrow (Friday).

Cathode redesign

- Roger discussed the plots attached above. Everybody agreed on the design of the beam hole (first plot). Roger used the unused corners of the foil to place connectors on which one can exercise the soldering. Roger showed the modifications he did and got several suggestions from Bill and Fernando.

Cosmic tests

- In the last week tests with cosmics we were able to use only the anode cards. Beni showed several plots demonstrating that one can still get important information from these runs. The drift time spectra look much better compared to results from the Sr source tests: there's almost no tail at the end of the spectrum. Few runs were taken with two chambers with parallel wires, one on the top of the other. Beni showed the hit correlations between the two chambers and used this configuration to estimate the wire efficiencies. They are close to 100%, except at the end (shortest wires) where it is down by ~5%.

- Beni plans to include one of the chambers in the tracking, to predict the position of the track on the second chamber. He will also look at the correlation between the timing difference of the wires from the two chambers and the slope of the track as defined by the IU chambers.

Other

- There will be two FDC talks at the Collaboration meeting: Lubomir will present the FDC status, and Beni will talk about the tests (cosmics and source) with the full-scale prototype.

- At the open house, this Saturday,