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# Engineering update (Bill)  
 
# Engineering update (Bill)  
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
# Tests with first package at 126 [https://halldweb1.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
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# Tests with first package at 126 [https://halldweb.jlab.org/elog-halld/FDC FDC E-log] (Beni)
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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= Minutes =
 
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Participants: Fernando, Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, Eugene, Glenn, and Lubomir.   
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Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.   
 
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== Final results from the oxygen studies ==
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- One full production cell with Viton O-rings and Apiezon applied on one side showed 75ppm (after 5 days flushing with gas) at 220ccpm gas flow. Bill got information from Servomex, the oxygen sensor manufacturer, that the flow defines the reaction time but effect on the reading is very small. With the same configuration at 110ccpm we had 114ppm, and with a flow of 55ccpm - 195ppm. These numbers can be explained if assuming the gas has 35ppm and the chamber contributes 40ppm at 220ccpm, therefore 80ppm at 110ccpm (80+35=115ppm) and 160ppm at 55ccpm (160+35=195ppm).   
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== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave: for package #3 still two wire planes remain to be deadened, will do it tomorrow. Package #4: working on different cathodes, stringing third wire frame. Starting from the next wire frame we will first coat the G10 groove with Hysol and then do the stringing. The last wire frame #18, that required additional machining of the holes will be back from machine shop tomorrow.
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- Dave: for package #3: wire planes 4 & 13 were deadened, now all the elements for this package are ready. Package #4: wire planes 24 and 25 ready for deadening, will be done on Monday. Chris will put components on wire plane 26 tomorrow. Anatoly is gluing daughter cards on cathode 47. Tina working on cathodes 49 and 50. Casey is filling the groove on the second type-1 cathode to be converted into type-2.  
  
- Two more cells were added to package #3 without tightening the package and tomorrow we will add another one, will have four in total. Then we will start flushing with gas and testing all four together. Normally we do the installation/testing cell by cell, but we want to save time on the flushing (5 days) and minimize the disassembling of the top end window and type-3 cathode that we have to do before each new cell installation. Bill: we take some risk with this, at least we can test the gas tightness by putting Lexan sheet on the top (after each cell installation). We will decide about this based on the experience  with the first four cells. Eugene: when we can expect the third package ready for tests; if everything is OK we will need two weeks flushing and testing the first four cells, then another 1.5 weeks for the remaining two cells and one more week for HV cabling, pre-amps and cooling tubes and grounding.
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- Now we have four cells in package #3 installed. After the first cell installed and tested we put the next three cells on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday at once without tightening the chamber in between. On Friday after starting the gas we found huge leakage from the top spacer ring. It turned out the O-ring was smashed at one place. We suspect it happened because of the grease and incorrect use of the installation metal pins. When you insert the pins up into the new holes during the next cell installation, the pin can lift some of the frames and create gaps in between them. When you have gap the O-ring can stick to the surface above the groove (due to the grease), and then get out of the groove. To exclude this from happening again, when inserting the metal pins we should always apply force from the top (by fingers) to avoid separation of the frames. It is dangerous because you can damage an O-ring anywhere in the already installed cells which will require re-installation of the whole package. In case we have more problems Bill will consider designing a tool for pulling the pins. The damaged O-ring was replaced on Friday and we started flushing the package with gas.
  
- The first cell in package #3 was tested with a source. With low oxygen, the chamber is much more quite, very low noise (3-5mV), signals are higher and very uniform, and the working HV can be as low as 2050V where the chamber was stable for ~24 hours. Above that HV it was not possible to have it stable for a long time, the adverse effect of the low oxygen, which was helping before as a quencher. Also with the Viton the gas tightness is not as good as with EPDM: we have a leak (10^-4-10^-3 mL/sec) most likely due to a deformation in the gusset ring at that place. We found with Viton it's better to apply 100 in*oz torque on the rods, that's why we need them aluminum. Fernando pointed out that in this case we need to insulate them since we are closing the loops on the gusset rings. For that, we decided we better put the cuts on the top and bottom gusset rings at the same place.
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- With four cells in the third package after 6 days flushing with gas we have 130ppm oxygen with 220 sccpm gas flow. The gas leakage that we had before was significantly reduced by putting a 5mil shim in between the bottom gusset ring and the end window. Now the leakage detector shows between upper 10^-4 and lower 10^-5. HV was applied on the top cell without problems (2100V) and all the channels were tested with a source. Today we continue with the tests of the next cell.    
  
 
== Engineering ==  
 
== Engineering ==  
  
- Bill is working on the fiducial scheme, spacers between the packages and on the tooling to remove from a package a whole cell together.
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- Installation of the remaining two cells of the third package will require new metal pins. The pins that are now there are bent and can't go up. Bill ordered them and we will have them at the beginning of the new week. We discussed if we need better (and more expensive) pins: as long as we have spares we will be fine with these.  
 
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- After the meeting Bill will try to shim the place at the gusset ring causing the gas leakage. Also when installing the last cell of the third package, one of the metal pins didn't go through. Bill will figure out if the pin is bent or (if needed) we can ream the holes in the frames as installed in the package.  
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== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- We will get 5 more pre-amp sets to be used to ground the strips when testing package #3.
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- Chris is looking for the parts needed for the grounding. Beni proposed a way for local connection between the grounds of the wire frames and the two neighboring cathodes: using copper tape (not adhesive), Rohacell piece inside the wire frame/cathode gap at the periphery, and a 1cm clamp (~3/4inch wide)
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that holds all together. Chris got some samples, and asked for the clamp that we need. In addition there will be inter-cell connections at the six places between the fast-ons on the wire frames. As Beni found using foil gives better grounding than with wires, not clear why. In about three weeks we will need the grounding material, Beni will show us the places to install this ground on the third package.  
  
- Fernando: tests with the new fADC125 are going very well. Expect to be ready by June, at the same time working on the PR for the mass production. We expect to get two (out three) of them, so together with the old fADC125 we will have 3 for testing the packages at 126. We received first article LV cables, after minor corrections, the mass production will start soon. By June we can have the LV system ready to be used for the package tests in 126. 30Volts threshold power supply was ordered, as well.  
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- Chris checked the dimensions of the first article LV cables, everything is fine except for the labeling that will be corrected. After the meeting Beni and Lubomir connected the LV cables at several critical places in the first package in 126: the sizes are OK, but it was very difficult to do the connections even using Bill's tools, mainly because of the tubing. Nick is working on the LV distribution boards, will attached on the LV rack and will have one per package for the cathodes and one for all the anodes.  
  
 
== Tests with first package at 126 ==
 
== Tests with first package at 126 ==
  
- Beni found a way to dramatically reduce the noise and use thresholds <5Volts, compared to 13Volts before. Instead of the green wires, he used aluminum foil to connect directly the PCBs with the cathode grounds. Fernando and Beni also found some external noise.
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- Beni did his local grounding at hundred(?) places in the first package and reduced the threshold from 13 to 4.5V! He showed scope pictures (see FDC elog ID 59 and 60 linked above): the noise is below 2mV! Strong after-pulsing visible in the cathode signals: with this 90/10 gas probably the HV is too high. Beni will check the same on the wires but needs analog preamp card.  
 
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- Fernando proposed different schemes for the grounding: using the holes in the periphery of the planes, or using clamps with copper braids. Beni and Fernando will investigate this on the first package and will come with a solution to be implemented on the third package; will need it in about a month from now. We discussed also how to reduce the material, but the first priority will be to have the chamber working at low threshold.
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- With the lower threshold the efficiencies on the chamber are higher (80-100%) (see Beni's elog). First estimation of the anode resolution is ~300 microns averaged over all the distances to the wire, worse than it was in the prototype. Now Beni uses the top and the third from the top cells, since they have parallel wires. Bill corrected Beni about the distance between the cells used in this calculations, hopefully this will improve the resolution.

Latest revision as of 00:43, 1 April 2015

May 3, 2012 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
    • Production status
    • Third package refurbishment status
    • Third package tests (Lubomir)
  2. Engineering update (Bill)
  3. Electronics update (Chris)
  4. Tests with first package at 126 FDC E-log (Beni)
  5. Other

Minutes

Participants: Bill, Dave, Chris, Nick, Simon, Beni, and Lubomir.


Production

- Dave: for package #3: wire planes 4 & 13 were deadened, now all the elements for this package are ready. Package #4: wire planes 24 and 25 ready for deadening, will be done on Monday. Chris will put components on wire plane 26 tomorrow. Anatoly is gluing daughter cards on cathode 47. Tina working on cathodes 49 and 50. Casey is filling the groove on the second type-1 cathode to be converted into type-2.

- Now we have four cells in package #3 installed. After the first cell installed and tested we put the next three cells on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday at once without tightening the chamber in between. On Friday after starting the gas we found huge leakage from the top spacer ring. It turned out the O-ring was smashed at one place. We suspect it happened because of the grease and incorrect use of the installation metal pins. When you insert the pins up into the new holes during the next cell installation, the pin can lift some of the frames and create gaps in between them. When you have gap the O-ring can stick to the surface above the groove (due to the grease), and then get out of the groove. To exclude this from happening again, when inserting the metal pins we should always apply force from the top (by fingers) to avoid separation of the frames. It is dangerous because you can damage an O-ring anywhere in the already installed cells which will require re-installation of the whole package. In case we have more problems Bill will consider designing a tool for pulling the pins. The damaged O-ring was replaced on Friday and we started flushing the package with gas.

- With four cells in the third package after 6 days flushing with gas we have 130ppm oxygen with 220 sccpm gas flow. The gas leakage that we had before was significantly reduced by putting a 5mil shim in between the bottom gusset ring and the end window. Now the leakage detector shows between upper 10^-4 and lower 10^-5. HV was applied on the top cell without problems (2100V) and all the channels were tested with a source. Today we continue with the tests of the next cell.

Engineering

- Installation of the remaining two cells of the third package will require new metal pins. The pins that are now there are bent and can't go up. Bill ordered them and we will have them at the beginning of the new week. We discussed if we need better (and more expensive) pins: as long as we have spares we will be fine with these.

Electronics

- Chris is looking for the parts needed for the grounding. Beni proposed a way for local connection between the grounds of the wire frames and the two neighboring cathodes: using copper tape (not adhesive), Rohacell piece inside the wire frame/cathode gap at the periphery, and a 1cm clamp (~3/4inch wide) that holds all together. Chris got some samples, and asked for the clamp that we need. In addition there will be inter-cell connections at the six places between the fast-ons on the wire frames. As Beni found using foil gives better grounding than with wires, not clear why. In about three weeks we will need the grounding material, Beni will show us the places to install this ground on the third package.

- Chris checked the dimensions of the first article LV cables, everything is fine except for the labeling that will be corrected. After the meeting Beni and Lubomir connected the LV cables at several critical places in the first package in 126: the sizes are OK, but it was very difficult to do the connections even using Bill's tools, mainly because of the tubing. Nick is working on the LV distribution boards, will attached on the LV rack and will have one per package for the cathodes and one for all the anodes.

Tests with first package at 126

- Beni did his local grounding at hundred(?) places in the first package and reduced the threshold from 13 to 4.5V! He showed scope pictures (see FDC elog ID 59 and 60 linked above): the noise is below 2mV! Strong after-pulsing visible in the cathode signals: with this 90/10 gas probably the HV is too high. Beni will check the same on the wires but needs analog preamp card.

- With the lower threshold the efficiencies on the chamber are higher (80-100%) (see Beni's elog). First estimation of the anode resolution is ~300 microns averaged over all the distances to the wire, worse than it was in the prototype. Now Beni uses the top and the third from the top cells, since they have parallel wires. Bill corrected Beni about the distance between the cells used in this calculations, hopefully this will improve the resolution.