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== Announcements ==
 
== Announcements ==
  
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- David Butler accepted the position of FDC Construction Coordinator and will start on Aug. 2.  
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- David Butler accepted the position of a FDC Construction Coordinator and will start on Aug. 2. Both Bill and Lubomir are confident he will do the job. He has expertise in working with PCBs which may be helpful for Fernando when testing our PCBs.
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
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- No news about the Blue Crab.  
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- No news about Blue Crab.  
  
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- Lubomir presented a Fatstrack version of the production with 5 people occupied, linked above. It will take ~12 working days to produce one layer (one wire and two cathode planes). This is to be compared to the previous version with 8 people producing one layer for ~6 working days. In case of 5 people, two techs are working on the two cathodes (one of them with a ground plane), one electrical tech is soldering the cathode connectors and the wires, two technicians are preparing the wire frame and string the wires. Eugene asked about other intermediate options: with 6,7 people available. Bill: the schedule will become realistic when we start the production (everybody agrees). Fernando: we must include additional, probably only visual inspection of the electrical part of the wire frames before starting the stringing. Berni: we should include the machining of the wire frames in the schedule even if it will be done outside.   
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- Lubomir presented a Fatstrack version of the FDC production with 5 people occupied, linked above. It will take ~12 working days to produce one layer (one wire and two cathode planes). This is to be compared to the previous version with 8 people producing one layer for ~6 working days. In case of 5 people, two techs are working on the two cathodes (one of them with a ground plane), one electrician is soldering the cathode connectors and the wires, two technicians are preparing the wire frame and stringing the wires. Eugene asked about other intermediate options: with 6,7 people available. Bill: the schedule will become realistic when we start the production (everybody agrees). Fernando: we must include additional, probably only visual inspection of the electrical part of the wire frames before starting the stringing. Berni: we should include the machining (fly cut) of the wire frames in the schedule even if it will be done outside.   
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of the one-layer prototype which will take 2.5 weeks if having 8 technicians. This includes one wire and two cathode layers. Suppose we start on Oct.4 we will be ready with the prototype on Oct.20. Then, we can start with the mass production at the beginning of November. This answers Fernando's questions when we will need the PCBs. Fernando also asked if we have the 8 technicians needed for the job. Eugene answered, we would have to hire new techs. It will be difficult because the term will be only for one year, but probably we will need some of them for the constructions in the hall, as well. This will be synchronized later when it will be clear when we will have the clean room.
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- No news from Bill about the design of the wire stringing fixtures. He wanted to use the strongbacks that are at IUCF: Lubomir tried to contact Keith Solberg from IUCF, without success so far. In this line, the system for wire position measurements was recovered at UVA, they are testing it right now at UVA. We will have to find a way to bring it here.
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== Electronics ==
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They plan also to improve their system for tension measurements, based on exciting the wires by induction from an electrode and looking for the resonance frequency. Glenn suggested to talk to Mac Mestayer  from Hall B about their system. Fernando said that the problem with the Hall B system is that you need to make connections to both ends of the wire. In our case this will be difficult especially for the field wires.
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- The templates for the rohacell arcs are ready. The two Liping's students that were supposed to work on this project are working in the moment on the PRIMEX experiment. However, Lubomir talked to Ashot: we may use the students when they are not busy, will be discussed again tomorrow. We will need  also a gluing template, Bill will get it made by the machine shop.  
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- Fernando: we don't have yet the first article PCBs. Recently, space was freed in F117 for the PCB testing. They are interviewing people for a tech position, to work on the testing.
  
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== Electronics ==
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- fADC: Gerard has now a version of the firmware that works at high rates. Gerard will soon include in the next release the auto-load of firmware, as well.
  
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- Fernando: we expect the first PCBs next week. It turned out that the HV capacitors (rated for 4kV) are not available in the moment, and there's a lead time of 12 weeks if we want to order them. Instead there are 3kV capacitors available. Fernando asked if this is acceptable. Eugene mentioned the problems with the FCAL capacitors and asked if we can wait for the original capacitors that were used already in the prototype. Fernando: we will need the capacitors in August to proceed with the stuffing of the PCBs; 3kV and 4kV capacitors are really the same type (different from the FCAL ones) just rated for different HV. We don't expect to put HV more than 3kV for sure. Eugene suggested to do extensive tests of the 3kV capacitors at the working HV.
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- a sample of clamps (made by TechEtch) that may be used to improve the grounding on the cathodes, was shown. Fernando also proposed the holes in the wire and cathode frames made to hold the cables, to be used also to improve the grounding.
  
 
== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
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- Cathode foils: Roger showed us a plastic cylinder and a paper sample he received from the company to be used for transporting the foils. Mark said this paper should work (he had bad experience before with a sticky on one side paper). Fernando and Glenn suggested possible improvements: placing caps on the cylinder ends, using two cylinders with the foil in between. There are also other questions that need to be iterated with the company, like how many foils will be rolled on one cylinder. Roger will further communicate with the company to improve the packaging, while Mark and Casey will exercise packing using the company's paper. Roger is also checking the Gerber files and will send them soon to the company for quotation.  
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- Cathode foils: Roger received quotation for 74 cathode foils (4 first article) at $1340 per cathode. We discussed what the yield would be and how many spares do we need. Eugene proposed 80 cathodes: 60 needed + 30% spares + 2 to exercise. Roger has started the paperwork for the PR.
  
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- We have now two (one of each type) new design cathode frames machined in our machine shop. There was a problem with the vacuum fixture during the machining of one of the frames. According to Bill the procedure will change and this will not reoccur. Mark and Casey will prototype the new flapping design (to improve the grounding), using the foils that we have now. Roger will give them drawings to cut the flaps according to the new design. Mark and Casey will also improve the procedure of gluing the foil to the transfer ring so that there's extra length to be used for the flaps.
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- Cathode frames: Bill: when we have the foils we will need theframes. Bill will go ahead and submit a PR for the cathode frames: 30 of each type.
  
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== Full-scale prototype test results ==
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- The strongbacks are being shipped from IUCF, will have them in a week or two. Bill wanted to have sketches or pictures of the position and tension measuring systems that are worked out at UVA. Lubomir will contact UVA.
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- The two Liping's students are busy with PRIMEX. We should start cutting the rohacells when we have people available.  
  
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- Beni explained the procedure he used to calculate the wire resolution. The top two wire planes are read out, which wires are parallel. He plots the difference of the distances calculated from the drift times of the two layers as a function of the angle alpha (a drawing explaining this is attached above). He extracts the resolution for angles close to zero and gets about 200microns. The resolution is getting better if applying angle corrections. There's still a dependence of the corrected difference on the angle. Possible explanation: the time to distance relation used was for the standard field/sense voltages and now we have zero voltage on the field wires (otherwise it trips).  
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- The new cathode frame prototype was glued to the kapton foil and the latter was cut at a diameter larger than the I.D. of the transfer ring. Next step is to create flaps, according to the Roger's design, and glue them.  
  
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- Fernando asked if we are happy with the present gain and dynamic range of the pre-amps. Lubomir: in principle we can adjust the HV to correspond to the dynamic range of the cards
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== Full-scale prototype test results ==
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but it affects also the resolution. Now we have the gain at the cathode cards of 2.6mV/fC which is the lowest value in the cathode gain range. It would be better to have also lower gains (like 2.3) possible. Part of the problem about choosing the working HV is that we suspect we have oxygen contamination that  reduces the amplitude: up to factor of two effect for the longest drift distances. If this is the case, without contamination we could lower the HV by ~100V and have much narrower dynamic range.  
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- We still don't have all the hardware needed to set-up the oxygen measurement system. First, Casey and Mark will install wheels on the rack. Beni is still waiting for the flow controller.
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- Beni explained that the old estimate of the wire resolution of ~200microns has to be scaled up by ~40%. This is due to the fact that the drift times for the field configuration with zero voltage on the field wires, are ~40% bigger. Beni is working now with the bottom layer.  
  
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- The new rack is ready to be used for the gas system. Beni used the third flow controller for the IU chambers and freed the rotameter needed for the oxygen sensor. We discussed whether we need a relieve valve (Bill: or pressure regulator) between the pump and the oxygen sensor (see the scheme linked above). Because we use a low power pump we may not need the valve.

Latest revision as of 14:26, 23 July 2010

July 22, 2010 FDC meeting

Tentative Agenda

  1. Announcements
  2. Production
  3. Electronics: update (Fernando)
  4. Engineering
    • Cathode foil: update (Roger)
    • Wire stringing design (Bill)
    • Cathode frame prototyping
  5. Full-scale prototype tests
  6. Other

Minutes

Participants: Eugene, Bill, Fernando, Glenn, Roger, Casey, Beni, Simon, and Lubomir.

Announcements

- David Butler accepted the position of a FDC Construction Coordinator and will start on Aug. 2. Both Bill and Lubomir are confident he will do the job. He has expertise in working with PCBs which may be helpful for Fernando when testing our PCBs.

Production

- No news about Blue Crab.

- Lubomir presented a Fatstrack version of the FDC production with 5 people occupied, linked above. It will take ~12 working days to produce one layer (one wire and two cathode planes). This is to be compared to the previous version with 8 people producing one layer for ~6 working days. In case of 5 people, two techs are working on the two cathodes (one of them with a ground plane), one electrician is soldering the cathode connectors and the wires, two technicians are preparing the wire frame and stringing the wires. Eugene asked about other intermediate options: with 6,7 people available. Bill: the schedule will become realistic when we start the production (everybody agrees). Fernando: we must include additional, probably only visual inspection of the electrical part of the wire frames before starting the stringing. Berni: we should include the machining (fly cut) of the wire frames in the schedule even if it will be done outside.

Electronics

- Fernando: we don't have yet the first article PCBs. Recently, space was freed in F117 for the PCB testing. They are interviewing people for a tech position, to work on the testing.

- fADC: Gerard has now a version of the firmware that works at high rates. Gerard will soon include in the next release the auto-load of firmware, as well.

- a sample of clamps (made by TechEtch) that may be used to improve the grounding on the cathodes, was shown. Fernando also proposed the holes in the wire and cathode frames made to hold the cables, to be used also to improve the grounding.

Engineering

- Cathode foils: Roger received quotation for 74 cathode foils (4 first article) at $1340 per cathode. We discussed what the yield would be and how many spares do we need. Eugene proposed 80 cathodes: 60 needed + 30% spares + 2 to exercise. Roger has started the paperwork for the PR.

- Cathode frames: Bill: when we have the foils we will need theframes. Bill will go ahead and submit a PR for the cathode frames: 30 of each type.

- The strongbacks are being shipped from IUCF, will have them in a week or two. Bill wanted to have sketches or pictures of the position and tension measuring systems that are worked out at UVA. Lubomir will contact UVA.

- The two Liping's students are busy with PRIMEX. We should start cutting the rohacells when we have people available.

- The new cathode frame prototype was glued to the kapton foil and the latter was cut at a diameter larger than the I.D. of the transfer ring. Next step is to create flaps, according to the Roger's design, and glue them.

Full-scale prototype test results

- Beni explained that the old estimate of the wire resolution of ~200microns has to be scaled up by ~40%. This is due to the fact that the drift times for the field configuration with zero voltage on the field wires, are ~40% bigger. Beni is working now with the bottom layer.

- The new rack is ready to be used for the gas system. Beni used the third flow controller for the IU chambers and freed the rotameter needed for the oxygen sensor. We discussed whether we need a relieve valve (Bill: or pressure regulator) between the pump and the oxygen sensor (see the scheme linked above). Because we use a low power pump we may not need the valve.

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