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# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_Tracking.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
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# Production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/production/FDC_Construction_Tracking_July28.xlsx Construction Tracking] (Dave)
 
#* Status
 
#* Status
#* Wire deadening
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#* Wire deadening [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/procedures/fdc_calculations4.xlsx Bill's calculations]
 
#* Leakage current tests (Lubomir)
 
#* Leakage current tests (Lubomir)
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#* Revised short term production [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/procedures/REVISION_FDC_START_PRODUCTION.jpg schedule] (Lubomir)
 
# Engineering update (Bill)
 
# Engineering update (Bill)
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Electronics update (Chris)
 
# Chamber testing at EEL126 (Beni)
 
# Chamber testing at EEL126 (Beni)
#* Status and plans [http://www.jlab.org/htbin/PHYSICS/halld/enote112.pl?nb=notebook&action=view&page=571]  
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#* Status and plans [http://www.jlab.org/htbin/PHYSICS/halld/enote112.pl?nb=notebook&action=view&page=571 efficiency plot]  
 
# Other
 
# Other
 
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= Minutes =
 
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Participants: Eugene, Bill, Dave, Chris, Beni, Simon, and Lubomir.
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Participants: Eugene, Bill, Dave, Chris, Beni, Simon, Caleb, and Lubomir.
  
 
== Production ==
 
== Production ==
  
- Dave (see  the construction tracking): Continued with stringing wire frame#4. Wire frame#3 is waiting for soldering second phase component (Chris will do it together with Tina). Cell#5: one cathode ready, working on the second (type 2) cathode. Cell#6: working on the first cathode.  
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- Dave (see  the construction tracking): Techs are finishing the cathodes for cell#5 and started working on cell#6 cathodes. The components on wire frame #3 were soldered (except few resistors). Today started tension measurements on wire frame #4.  
  
- Waiting for the chemicals for the wire deadening; probably will start testing the procedure beginning of next week. Bill: what is the wire diameter needed to deaden the wire? Lubomir: according to Garfield if we make sense wires 40um signal drops by factor of 40, for 60um - factor of 400, and for 80um -factor of 2,700. After some discussions, Bill will look what is the sagging effect of thickening the wires and Lubomir will estimate the suppression factor that we need.
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- Dave: Yesterday we started testing the electroplating. First attempt not successful because of wrong polarity. Following the old prescription resulted in Cu deposition that was too brittle. Later Bill studied the procedure (see xlsx file attached) and concluded that the current must be much lower and correspondingly the plating time bigger. The last sample using his procedure was shown at the meeting and looked much better. So, thanks to David's micro-controller one can easily change these parameters and improve the procedure. Eugene: what is the QA for this? Bill: looking with high magnification microscope (need price estimate), measuring the diameter with micrometer, may try using the laser sensor and Caleb will look into that, and finally testing with HV.
  
- The PR for the iron source was submitted waiting for the RadCon signature, probably at the beginning of the next week.
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- Lubomir studied the leakage currents between the field and sense wires and it turned out it is the new epoxy (Epolite) to be blamed. On an old wire frame short field and sense wires were soldered (11 of each type) on two separate HV boards in the middle of the frame. They were covered with Epolite on one board and with the old epoxy (Epon, used for the prototype) on the other board. After ~24 hours we applied HV and the leakage current between the field and sense wires at the Epolite side was ~40 times higher (~7 uA at 500V) than on the Epon side. We found also that the current depends strongly on the humidity. That's why after flushing wire frame #2 with nitrogen for 3 days the current went down from ~7 uA at 2000V to ~500 nA. Conclusion: we will switch to the old epoxy since there's no time for investigations. However, we will investigate how to "fix" the first four wire frames made already with Epolie, most likely by drying them in a nitrogen box. Eugene: that's why you don't want to change materials that were used before and were working. We switched to Epolite because it is easier to apply it due to the higher viscosity.  
  
- Investigating the sources of the high leakage currents; applied HV on the signal side of a wire frame without wires. In some of the measurements we found the current is too high because of the bad connection between the Cu tape (on which HV is applied) and the wire pads. The lowest current we got is ~10nA for one board when the capacitors are covered with Humiseal, and close to 0nA when capacitors were removed cleaned and then soldered without flux, latter done by Anatoly who put solder on the capacitors and pads, cleaned the flux and then solder the capacitors just by heating. According to Chris this is not a certified way for soldering because of possible oxyde layer.
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- A short term production schedule (see FastTrack linked above) was proposed, that reflects the above findings. The wire frames built so far will be used as spares and assembled in a spare package. Priority now will be to build wire frames for the first package using the old epoxy. At the same time we will build another two cathode sets for the first package. Expect to have the first package ready by middle/end of September. Then after some tests at Blue Crab it will be moved to EEL126. After finishing the first package we will switch to the spare package that will need additional three cathode sets. Till then we will dry the first four wire frames in the nitrogen box, or try other ways of fixing them. Testing the Humi-seal may require measurements with the prototype in 126 with Sr source. The prototype that has a lot of Humi-seal inside the gas volume, was studied for more than a year and no deterioration in the performance was noticed. No radiation effects were studied, but the expected dose at the place of the HV capacitors is about 1kRad for 10 years, much lower than the typical values of about 100kRad-1MRad at which radiation effects in polymers will be noticed.
 
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- Conclusions for the HV problem: the capacitors itself are not the source of the leakage. Some small amount of flux found below some of the capacitors indicate that this might be a problem but this effect is reduced by covering it with humiseal that actually penetrates also below the capacitors. The humiseal helps also to cover possible sharp places on the capacitor plates that otherwise in gas would produce sparks. Lubomir proposed a procedure for testing the wire frames just before stringing. If all the leakage current of the caps is less than few tens nA the caps will be covered with humiseal, otherwise the caps showing big currents will be removed, the place cleaned and then the caps will be soldered back.
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- Eugene: we can't continue with the wire frame production until it is proven the chamber can hold HV for several weeks. Also, using humiseal is allowed only if it has been used already in drift chambers. If not, we have to do our own tests including irradiation. According to Fernando humiseal has been used in Hall B chambers but outside of the gas volume. Our prototype has a lot of humiseal inside but it has not been tested with radiation. Humiseal is also rated by NASA as low outgassing.
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- We decided first to investigate if there are examples of using humiseal in drift chambers. If not, we will have to do our own tests irradiating the chamber but unfortunately the accelerator is now down. We will look also for other ways to solve the HV problem. For that we will use different wire frames that we have now: some are covered with humiseal, some were cleaned and then soldered without flux.
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== Engineering ==
 
== Engineering ==
  
- Bill will be working on the spacer between packages, but nos is busy with the tagger. Bill made the wire frame strong-back flatter: from +/-35/1000" now it's down to +/-11/1000".  
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- Bill expects to have the strong-back for the assembly by the middle of next week (small delay) and it will be needed to assemble the first package. We discussed if we need also third set of hubs and if we have to order now only two gusset rings needed for the second package, or all the rings together. Bill prefers first to see if the rings are rigid enough and then to order all of them.  
  
 
== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- Chris: within two weeks we will have all the signal cables. Chris is constantly testing them: so far only one failure.  
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- Chris: received the rigid flexes populated but not sure yet if these are all. Tested 90 FDC cables out of 140.  
  
 
== Chamber testing ==
 
== Chamber testing ==
  
- Beni showed some preliminary results (pgae 570 in the FDC logbook) from testing the first cell using external tracking. The drift time distribution doesn't look like the one for 90/10 Ar/CO2 gas mxiture but most like 80/20 and this is due to the very low CO2 rate that can't be controlled accurately. Therefore,  Beni will do tests now with 40/60.
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- Beni showed results (page 571) on the first cell efficiency, ~99%, estimated by using external tracking. Modified the gas system to be able to increase the gas flow, but the drift time spectra look the same, i.e. not as before for 90/10% Ar/CO2. Will study the drift time at fixed locations along the wires.  
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- Beni modified the back-plane on the VXS crate to be able to work with more F1TDCs. Now it will be possible to connect all the wires from one package if we have the pre-amps.  
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== Other ==
  
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We said thanks to Caleb for his work as a summer student on the wire position measurements.

Latest revision as of 10:19, 29 July 2011

July 28, 2011 FDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Production Construction Tracking (Dave)
  2. Engineering update (Bill)
  3. Electronics update (Chris)
  4. Chamber testing at EEL126 (Beni)
  5. Other

Minutes

Participants: Eugene, Bill, Dave, Chris, Beni, Simon, Caleb, and Lubomir.

Production

- Dave (see the construction tracking): Techs are finishing the cathodes for cell#5 and started working on cell#6 cathodes. The components on wire frame #3 were soldered (except few resistors). Today started tension measurements on wire frame #4.

- Dave: Yesterday we started testing the electroplating. First attempt not successful because of wrong polarity. Following the old prescription resulted in Cu deposition that was too brittle. Later Bill studied the procedure (see xlsx file attached) and concluded that the current must be much lower and correspondingly the plating time bigger. The last sample using his procedure was shown at the meeting and looked much better. So, thanks to David's micro-controller one can easily change these parameters and improve the procedure. Eugene: what is the QA for this? Bill: looking with high magnification microscope (need price estimate), measuring the diameter with micrometer, may try using the laser sensor and Caleb will look into that, and finally testing with HV.

- Lubomir studied the leakage currents between the field and sense wires and it turned out it is the new epoxy (Epolite) to be blamed. On an old wire frame short field and sense wires were soldered (11 of each type) on two separate HV boards in the middle of the frame. They were covered with Epolite on one board and with the old epoxy (Epon, used for the prototype) on the other board. After ~24 hours we applied HV and the leakage current between the field and sense wires at the Epolite side was ~40 times higher (~7 uA at 500V) than on the Epon side. We found also that the current depends strongly on the humidity. That's why after flushing wire frame #2 with nitrogen for 3 days the current went down from ~7 uA at 2000V to ~500 nA. Conclusion: we will switch to the old epoxy since there's no time for investigations. However, we will investigate how to "fix" the first four wire frames made already with Epolie, most likely by drying them in a nitrogen box. Eugene: that's why you don't want to change materials that were used before and were working. We switched to Epolite because it is easier to apply it due to the higher viscosity.

- A short term production schedule (see FastTrack linked above) was proposed, that reflects the above findings. The wire frames built so far will be used as spares and assembled in a spare package. Priority now will be to build wire frames for the first package using the old epoxy. At the same time we will build another two cathode sets for the first package. Expect to have the first package ready by middle/end of September. Then after some tests at Blue Crab it will be moved to EEL126. After finishing the first package we will switch to the spare package that will need additional three cathode sets. Till then we will dry the first four wire frames in the nitrogen box, or try other ways of fixing them. Testing the Humi-seal may require measurements with the prototype in 126 with Sr source. The prototype that has a lot of Humi-seal inside the gas volume, was studied for more than a year and no deterioration in the performance was noticed. No radiation effects were studied, but the expected dose at the place of the HV capacitors is about 1kRad for 10 years, much lower than the typical values of about 100kRad-1MRad at which radiation effects in polymers will be noticed.

Engineering

- Bill expects to have the strong-back for the assembly by the middle of next week (small delay) and it will be needed to assemble the first package. We discussed if we need also third set of hubs and if we have to order now only two gusset rings needed for the second package, or all the rings together. Bill prefers first to see if the rings are rigid enough and then to order all of them.

Electronics

- Chris: received the rigid flexes populated but not sure yet if these are all. Tested 90 FDC cables out of 140.

Chamber testing

- Beni showed results (page 571) on the first cell efficiency, ~99%, estimated by using external tracking. Modified the gas system to be able to increase the gas flow, but the drift time spectra look the same, i.e. not as before for 90/10% Ar/CO2. Will study the drift time at fixed locations along the wires.

- Beni modified the back-plane on the VXS crate to be able to work with more F1TDCs. Now it will be possible to connect all the wires from one package if we have the pre-amps.

Other

We said thanks to Caleb for his work as a summer student on the wire position measurements.