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== 3 Some studies concerning noise and shielding - with shaper ==
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== 3 Signals with shaper ==
  
I just had a look at the noise after the shaper board. I took 3 different straws this time (again called straw 1,2, and 3). The scope traces of the noise are shown in figure 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3.
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I just had a look at the signal after the shaper board. I took 3 different straws this time (again called straw 1,2, and 3). The scope traces of the signal are shown in figure 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3.
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== 4 First look at some data ==
 
== 4 First look at some data ==

Revision as of 13:48, 28 January 2008

1 News on the noise issue

Inspired by Gerard's visit and equipped with his differential probe I had a first look at a non-oscillating preAmp. I put 1900 V on the straws and checked all connected straws and they are all looking good (= I see signals). Time to do some additional noise studies.

Setup:

*) 16 armed straws
*) HVDB (HV distribution board) that Gerard brought with him
*) new preAmp, also the one the Gerard brought with him
*) 1.5 meter cable + differential probe (which attenuates the signal 0.366x) (NO shaper) + scope

The VME crate was switched off, the only thing on (within a radius of 10 m) was a PC and a NIM crate.

I took a first look at the noise on a random straw (shown in figure 1.1):

figure 1.1: The noise on a random straw (average).

Pickup with a frequency of 67.80 kHz can be observed. It was coming from a CRT computer screen, so that was switched off.

For further studies i selected 4 typical channels/straws: i will call them straw 1,2,3, and 4. The scope traces of these channels (respectively) are shown in figure 1.2-1.5:

figure 1.2: The noise on straw 1 (average).
figure 1.3: The noise on straw 2 (average).
figure 1.4: The noise on straw 3 (average).
figure 1.5: The noise on straw 4 (average).

The noise is what it is, this is our starting point. After trying out some things I put Al-foil over the upstream plenum + HVDB. I had most success when the foil was touching the cooling strip of the new preAmp. When the foil was touching the grounding of the cable (between preAmp and differential probe) I saw the preAmp oscillating??? again (forgot to take traces of that one, sorry). The scope traces of the noise are shown in figures 1.6-1.9 (for straw 1-4 respectively).

figure 1.6: The noise on straw 1 (average).
figure 1.7: The noise on straw 2 (average).
figure 1.8: The noise on straw 3 (average).
figure 1.9: The noise on straw 4 (average).

These traces are averages, the sample traces are shown in figures 1.10-1.13

figure 1.10: The noise on straw 1 (sample).
figure 1.11: The noise on straw 2 (sample).
figure 1.12: The noise on straw 3 (sample).
figure 1.13: The noise on straw 4 (sample).

The improvement is vast! I also looked at the signals with this new setting, they are shown for each straw in figures 1.14-1.17.

figure 1.14: A signal on straw 1.
figure 1.15: A signal on straw 2.
figure 1.16: A signal on straw 3.
figure 1.17: A signal on straw 4.

They look pretty good, I think.

After this test point some straws were wrapped with Al-foil. The effect was that the shape of the noise stayed the same but the amplitude of the noise went down from 1.38 to 1.08 mV (average); straw 1 was used for this test.


2 Some studies concerning noise and shielding - without shaper

Setup:

  • ) HV = 1800 V
  • ) NO shaper


Three straws are observed. We'll call them straw 1,2, and 3 (those are the same straws as in previous section).

Test 1:

  • ) Shielding over the upstream end plenum + preAmp: yes
  • ) Extra shielding over the straws: no
  • ) Shielding over the downstream end plenum: no


The oscilloscope traces of straw 1,2, and 3 are shown in figure 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3.

figure 2.1: Noise on straw 1.
figure 2.2: Noise on straw 2.
figure 2.3: Noise on straw 3.


Test 2:

  • ) Shielding over the upstream end plenum + preAmp: yes
  • ) Extra shielding over the straws: no
  • ) Shielding over the downstream end plenum: yes


The oscilloscope traces of straw 1,2, and 3 are shown in figure 2.4, 2.5, and 2.6.

figure 2.4: Noise on straw 1.
figure 2.5: Noise on straw 2.
figure 2.6: Noise on straw 3.


Test 3:

  • ) Shielding over the upstream end plenum + preAmp: yes
  • ) Extra shielding over the straws: yes
  • ) Shielding over the downstream end plenum: no


The oscilloscope traces of straw 1,2, and 3 are shown in figure 2.7, 2.8, and 2.9.

figure 2.7: Noise on straw 1.
figure 2.8: Noise on straw 2.
figure 2.9: Noise on straw 3.


And why not? Test 4:

  • ) Shielding over the upstream end plenum + preAmp: yes
  • ) Extra shielding over the straws: yes
  • ) Shielding over the downstream end plenum: yes


The oscilloscope traces of straw 1,2, and 3 are shown in figure 2.10, 2.11, and 2.12.

figure 2.10: Noise on straw 1.
figure 2.11: Noise on straw 2.
figure 2.12: Noise on straw 3.

3 Signals with shaper

I just had a look at the signal after the shaper board. I took 3 different straws this time (again called straw 1,2, and 3). The scope traces of the signal are shown in figure 3.1, 3.2, and 3.3.


figure 3.1: Signal of straw 1.
figure 3.2: Signal of straw 2.
figure 3.3: Signal of straw 3.

4 First look at some data