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= Connection =
 
= Connection =
  
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# [https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Connect_to_Bluejeans_Meetings Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection]
 
# FDC meeting ID: 290664653
 
# FDC meeting ID: 290664653
 
# To join via a Web Browser, go to the page [https://bluejeans.com/290664653] https://bluejeans.com/290664653.
 
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# CDC update (Mike)
 
# CDC update (Mike)
## [[File:ring10.png|200px|thumb|left|Energy vs Time Ring10]]
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# FDC update [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/commissioning/Dist2Time_comp.pdf gas difference], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/commissioning/Sis.ppt gain calibration](Lubomir, Vlad)
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[[File:ring10_1.png|200px|thumb|Energy vs Time Ring10 projection1]]
# Other:electronics, engineering
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[[File:ring10_2.png|200px|thumb|Energy vs Time Ring10 projection2]]
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[[File:ring10_3.png|200px|thumb|Energy vs Time Ring10 projection3]]
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[[File:ring10_4.png|200px|thumb|Energy vs Time Ring10 projection4]]
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[[File:ring10_5.png|200px|thumb|Energy vs Time Ring10 projection5]]
  
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# FDC update [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/commissioning/Dist2Time_comp.pdf gas difference], [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/commissioning/Sis.ppt gain calibration](Lubomir, Vlad)
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# Electronics
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# Engineering
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# Other
  
 
= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Naomi (CMU), Beni (Switzerland), Mike, Dave, Curtis, Chris, Simon, Vlad, and Lubomir (JLab).
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Participants: Naomi (CMU), Eugene, Mike, Dave, Fernando, Chris, Nick, Simon, Cody, Beni, Vlad, Sergey, and Lubomir (JLab).
  
 
== CDC update ==
 
== CDC update ==
  
- Mike: trying to explain the factor of 4 higher gains (both with cosmics and with beam) now as compared to the tests at CMU. Mike found that the CO2 gas factor is now 0.77 instead of the recommended 0.74 but this could not explain the above factor of 4. HV change (Naomi) is also very unlikely since you need at least 150V for that. Most likely the factor of 4 is coming from the electronics/analysis and Naomi is now setting up the DAQ with the prototype straws to figure this out. Beni: when the CDC was in the EEL126 it was tested only with a scope by Anatoly, but not with the DAQ. Chris will try to figure out which pre-amps have been used at CMU.
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- Beni showed a plot, charge integral vs drift time, and slices of it, integral distribution for different drift times (plots attached). For smaller drift times you see the pedestal and the peak well separated and the amplitudes going down exponentially. For big drift times one starts seeing a second bump (not clear why!), while the first peak gets closer to the pedestal (because the track length inside the straw gets shorter)
  
- Naomi discussed some plots (linked above) showing that the signals from 24 channels (one connector) are coming earlier than the rest by about 30-40ns, as seen from the fADC125 data. NO idea what's the reason for that.
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- Mike was working on a tool to view the signals from the fADC125 modules in a single crate using the built-in pulser. Mike is also working on the CDC efficiency, it's >90% if require the track to be at <1mm to the wire.  
  
- According to Beni, for the Holiday break we can lower the CDC flow to about 0.8l/min (from 1.3l/min now). For the FDC we can go down to 80ccpm per package (from 100ccpm).   
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- Naomi has the test set-up at CMU working again with the prototype straws and old electronics. Waiting for Fernando to get the up-to-date pre-amps/firmware in order to compare with the results in the Hall.   
  
 
== FDC update ==
 
== FDC update ==
  
- We had 6 hours of very productive running (runs 2241-2244 total of ~2.5M events or 1.5M good tracks) with no field and FCAL&TOF trigger. We used 2x10^-5 radiator with 100nA, above this the FDC would trip from time to time at 5uA threshold. The tracks projected on the TOF are shown above: few more active TOF paddles on the right are visible, also the inner +/-12cm FCAL blocks were excluded from the trigger.  
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- Lubomir found the drift velocity of the FDC in the Hall is higher than it was in the EEL126: see the time-to-distance functions plotted above. If it was only Ar/CO2 this suggests that we have now approx. 46/54 gas mixture instead of 40/60 in the EEL, as estimated with Garfield simulations. If this is the case this may partially explain the higher signals seen in the CDC, but certainly not enough to explain the factor of 4 change. It is not clear how one can get 54% CO2 instead of 60%. The gas factor "uncertainty" found by Mike (0.773 actual instead of 0.74 according to the tables) results in 58.5%CO2. At the same time the drift velocity change might be due to adding of alcohol to the gas mixture, which has to be studied with Garfield.  
  
- Second plot above shows the drift time from the first and fourth packages. One can see a time difference of ~8.5ns, while one would expect ~5.3ns (156cm between packages) for relativistic particles. If true we are dealing with low energy stuff, i.e. 100-200MeV pions??? Another issue in the plot: 5ns structure in the timing??
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- Vlad showed latest results from gain calibration studies. There's some systematics for the "bad" channels with gain coefficients >3, but the normal channels are stable. Vlad has a list of 8 channels showing no signal at all in the fADC125, that are to be studied with the Mike's tool. Vlad will have soon the first table with the gains to be implemented by Simon in the standard code. 
  
- Vlad showed plots from the latest runs indicating that we have much more hits per event with the new FCAL&TOF trigger compared with the previous runs with FCAL or BCAL trigger (first plot). Also he showed that for the gain calibration most likely one needs at least 60k hits per plane, the gain coefficient distributions are wider with lower statistics.
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== Electronics ==
  
== High luminosity studies ==
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- Nick and Chris started re-routing the CDC HV cables, they will be attached to 4 thin bars (as a frame) mounted in front of the detector. Additional capacitor will be put on the HVBs to further reduce the noise. Mike asked but Fernando said there's no need to re-route also the LV cables, they have constant consumption (diff. amplifiers).
  
- The contribution of the active target to the current in the CDC is more than a factor of five as compared at 1x10^-4 radiator and 100nA, 1200A. The pedestal sagging was correspondingly lower. At the maximum luminosity at 3x10^-4 and 150nA the sagging was an most 30 fADC units. At this luminosity, in the FDC currents didn't exceed 5uA per HV channel and we observed some minor pile-up of a few fADC units on the most inner long strips. All this means that when having vacuum in front of the magnet there will be no problems to operate the drift chambers at the GLueX nominal "low luminosity".
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- Fernando ordered HV connectors that are needed to built the filter for the CAEN HV. CAEN are interested in this and they have already built such a box in a VME module frame (for one HV cable). We will get one of this for testing. CAEN are interested also in building the final filter-boxes, no discussions yet if they want to charge us for this.  
  
== Other ==
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- Cody: the new 25 fADC125 are here and are being tested, very good results so far. We discussed also the issues with the f125 firmware, but this will be left for the fADC125 meeting.
  
- The FDC chiller will be shipped for repair first week of January. We expect it back at the end of February. Curtis: according to Eugene the spring run for Hall D will start at the beginning of April.
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== Engineering ==
  
- Naomi asked about the plans for reducing the noise from the CAEN HV modules: Chris and Nick are planing to work on re-routing the HV cables in the CDC, Fernando discussed with Eugene the option for installation of filters on the back of the modules.
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- The FDC chiller is ready for shipping (or has been shipped), expect it back in 6-7 weeks.
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- We discussed options for turning off the power of the FDC chiller in case the temperature of the Fluorinert is out of the limits. On the next day Dave looked into this and decided to do something he's doing for HallB: external box that is plugged between the outlet and the chiller (note: 208V three phases 30A). It has a relay inside controlled by the PLC system that is taking the temperature from the epics readings of the chiller.
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== Other ==
  
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- Eugene expects from the drift chamber groups results on: efficiency, alignment, resolution, by the end of the month.

Latest revision as of 00:26, 1 April 2015

January 8, 2015 FDC+CDC meeting

Connection

  1. Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection
  2. FDC meeting ID: 290664653
  3. To join via a Web Browser, go to the page [1] https://bluejeans.com/290664653.

Agenda

  1. CDC update (Mike)
Energy vs Time Ring10
Energy vs Time Ring10 projection1
Energy vs Time Ring10 projection2
Energy vs Time Ring10 projection3
Energy vs Time Ring10 projection4
Energy vs Time Ring10 projection5


  1. FDC update gas difference, gain calibration(Lubomir, Vlad)
  2. Electronics
  3. Engineering
  4. Other

Minutes

Participants: Naomi (CMU), Eugene, Mike, Dave, Fernando, Chris, Nick, Simon, Cody, Beni, Vlad, Sergey, and Lubomir (JLab).

CDC update

- Beni showed a plot, charge integral vs drift time, and slices of it, integral distribution for different drift times (plots attached). For smaller drift times you see the pedestal and the peak well separated and the amplitudes going down exponentially. For big drift times one starts seeing a second bump (not clear why!), while the first peak gets closer to the pedestal (because the track length inside the straw gets shorter)

- Mike was working on a tool to view the signals from the fADC125 modules in a single crate using the built-in pulser. Mike is also working on the CDC efficiency, it's >90% if require the track to be at <1mm to the wire.

- Naomi has the test set-up at CMU working again with the prototype straws and old electronics. Waiting for Fernando to get the up-to-date pre-amps/firmware in order to compare with the results in the Hall.

FDC update

- Lubomir found the drift velocity of the FDC in the Hall is higher than it was in the EEL126: see the time-to-distance functions plotted above. If it was only Ar/CO2 this suggests that we have now approx. 46/54 gas mixture instead of 40/60 in the EEL, as estimated with Garfield simulations. If this is the case this may partially explain the higher signals seen in the CDC, but certainly not enough to explain the factor of 4 change. It is not clear how one can get 54% CO2 instead of 60%. The gas factor "uncertainty" found by Mike (0.773 actual instead of 0.74 according to the tables) results in 58.5%CO2. At the same time the drift velocity change might be due to adding of alcohol to the gas mixture, which has to be studied with Garfield.

- Vlad showed latest results from gain calibration studies. There's some systematics for the "bad" channels with gain coefficients >3, but the normal channels are stable. Vlad has a list of 8 channels showing no signal at all in the fADC125, that are to be studied with the Mike's tool. Vlad will have soon the first table with the gains to be implemented by Simon in the standard code.

Electronics

- Nick and Chris started re-routing the CDC HV cables, they will be attached to 4 thin bars (as a frame) mounted in front of the detector. Additional capacitor will be put on the HVBs to further reduce the noise. Mike asked but Fernando said there's no need to re-route also the LV cables, they have constant consumption (diff. amplifiers).

- Fernando ordered HV connectors that are needed to built the filter for the CAEN HV. CAEN are interested in this and they have already built such a box in a VME module frame (for one HV cable). We will get one of this for testing. CAEN are interested also in building the final filter-boxes, no discussions yet if they want to charge us for this.

- Cody: the new 25 fADC125 are here and are being tested, very good results so far. We discussed also the issues with the f125 firmware, but this will be left for the fADC125 meeting.

Engineering

- The FDC chiller is ready for shipping (or has been shipped), expect it back in 6-7 weeks.

- We discussed options for turning off the power of the FDC chiller in case the temperature of the Fluorinert is out of the limits. On the next day Dave looked into this and decided to do something he's doing for HallB: external box that is plugged between the outlet and the chiller (note: 208V three phases 30A). It has a relay inside controlled by the PLC system that is taking the temperature from the epics readings of the chiller.

Other

- Eugene expects from the drift chamber groups results on: efficiency, alignment, resolution, by the end of the month.