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= Agenda =
 
= Agenda =
 
# Commissioning plans
 
# Commissioning plans
#* [https://hdops.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Hall_D_Commissioning Wiki Page]
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#* [https://halldweb.jlab.org/hdops/wiki/index.php/Hall_D_Commissioning Wiki Page]
 
# Gas system
 
# Gas system
 
# DAQ (Beni)
 
# DAQ (Beni)
 
# CDC status (Beni)
 
# CDC status (Beni)
# FDC status (Lubomir)
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# FDC status [http://www.jlab.org/Hall-D/detector/fdc/DAQ/FDC_pulse_window.pdf fADC pulse window] (Lubomir)
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
 
# Electronics (Chris, Nick)
 
# Engineering (Bill)
 
# Engineering (Bill)
 
# Other
 
# Other
  
[https://halldweb1.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Connect_to_Bluejeans_Meetings Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection]
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[https://halldweb.jlab.org/wiki/index.php/Connect_to_Bluejeans_Meetings Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection]
  
 
FDC meeting ID: 290664653
 
FDC meeting ID: 290664653
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= Minutes =
 
= Minutes =
  
Participants: Naomi (CMU), Curtis, Dave, Beni, Chris, Nick, Simon, Bill, Fernando, Eugene, and Lubomir (JLab).
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Participants: Naomi (CMU), Beni, Dave, Chris, Mike, Simon, Fernando, Eugene, Glenn, and Lubomir (JLab).
  
 
== Readiness review ==
 
== Readiness review ==
  
- Curtis prepared (Elton requested) a draft of a commissioning plan for the CDC (linked above). Lubomir and Beni will do the same for the FDC. It doesn't have to be a final version. All the other documents needed for the review are ready.  
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- Drafts (very preliminary) for the CDC and FDC commissioning were prepared for the readiness review (page linked above). For the FDC the plan so far is to use two gas mixtures, 90/10 and 40/60, the first one is better for the alignment. The target position(s) and turning on/off the magnetic field needs to be coordinated.
  
 
== Gas system ==
 
== Gas system ==
  
- On Wednesday Scott replaced quickly under pressure, the relief valves on the two mixing tanks (first picture). This morning he replaced also the too regulators outsides, because they had some silicon rubber inside, and installed two filters (for the CO2 and Ar lines) that will remove water and oil contaminations. Fernando was concerned about the silicon. Beni: it works with high rates (i.e. with beam), but we need to start bubbling with alcohol.  
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- Last Friday, at ~8am, the power in the gas room was turned off for ~15 min due to a planned electrical work there. After turning it ON, the setting in the gas control panel were wrong (40mA, while the range is 4-20mA). As a result: (1) the flow was doubled and (2) the PLS didn't turned OFF the flow controllers when the mixing tanks reached 12psi. Soon the pressure reached 15psi and the two relief valves were continuously engaged for some time.  
  
- Scott had to stop the gas to the detectors this morning for about 4 hours and for this time the pressure in the CDC dropped almost to the atmospheric (~2-3Pa above). The fourth package dropped to about 39Pa (from 60Pa), all the other FDC packages didn't show significant changes in the pressure. Naomi proposed to look with a borescope camera at the downstream Mylar.  
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- After the meeting we installed an UPS (in preparation for the holiday weekend) there. Dave will contact the company to find a solution, at least to change the default settings to what we need.
  
- We started using the Oxygen sensor set-up. There was a small issue: the pressure sensor is supposed to stop the pump if the pressure goes below some limit to prevent under-pressure in the chambers. However, the gas is taken just next to the bubbler and the pressure there varies a lot. To avoid this Beni set the pump to run always, and Dave added in the PLS control to shut down all the valves to the Oxygen sensor if the pressure in any chamber goes below 30Pa.
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== DAQ ==
  
- We measured the Oxygen on Tuesday and Wednesday using the two sensors and (after some flushing) they gave more or less consistent results: CDC ~3-5ppm, FDC1 and FDC4 ~5-8ppm (extremely low values!). Bill is concerned that the sensors may need calibration. Beni: let's see first if we have problems (charge not constant with the drift time). Today Lubomir did measurements right after the gas was restored: CDC ~8ppm, FDC1 ~35ppm, FDC2 ~120ppm, FDC3 ~46ppm, and FDC4 ~25ppm. Very strangely, the chambers that had bigger leakage this morning showed smaller Oxygen contamination.
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- Beni: can read now all the 18 crates (CDC+FDC). Sometimes DAQ crashes fatally, so that you have to reboot the computer (suspect InfiniBand). Also somehow the bios on gluon51 failed; will be replaced.  
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- Beni made independent initialization for the FDC and CDC, now they can have different pulse windows.  
  
 
== CDC noise ==
 
== CDC noise ==
  
Long discussions about the noise (first picture above) on the CDC that Beni studied:
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- Fernando suspects the noise may come from the CDC itself, since it depends on the HV, and suggested increasing the CO2 content while keeping the same HV; the idea is to exclude the HV modules as a source of the noise. Eugene/Naomi: same effect will be if decrease/increase the HV by few hundred volts. Also it's difficult to explain with gas discharges the correlation we see in the noise (see plots from the last meeting). In any case, first Mike will study systematically where on the CDC we see the noise.
  
- higher noise on higher channel number (Naomi observed the same effect)
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- Lubomir looked with a scope on the FDC and found noise with very similar pattern on several special channels. That was on the most upstream cathodes in the first and second package, but not in the other two, and always in cards that have both long and short strips (more susceptible to noise). It may indicate that the noise comes from the CDC or the mesh but one has to study this more systematically.
  
- the noise completely disappears only if the HVB card is disconnected from the detector (last picture)
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== FDC update ==
  
- the noise reduces gradually by turning off more HV/LV channels but still remains even with the FDC HV also off (second picture)
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- Lubomir started analyzing the fADC data from the last DAQ runs. The pedestal widths for the CDC are about a factor of 2 bigger than for the FDC: 20, 10 fADC units respectively. The widths in the FDC depend on the size of the strips.
  
- no change in the noise with additional HVB shielding or by changing the return/ground connections on the HV modules
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- Important is that FDC sees many events with the CDC trigger; the explanation: most of the cosmic events are part of showers. The timing of the first maximum resembles the standard FDC drift time spectrum (histogram linked above). Beni will use this histogram to adjust the FDC pulse window from 20th to 100th sample, thus cutting the size of the files by 2. Before it was 0 to 160, as in the CDC.
 
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More studies needed; Fernando will talk to Cody to use the pulser on the fADC125.
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== Electronics ==
 
== Electronics ==
  
- The mesh needs to be connected to ground because of safety reasons: may charge up. Bill will look for opportunities to do this.
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- Fernando: two CAEN modules back from repair. Chris/Nick will test them before using in the Hall.
  
- Fernando had discussions with CAEN about the 1550P issues. They are concerned, as well, and will not charge us for the repair (even modules not under warranty). Most of the problems due to bad QA/QC on their side.  On our side, we need better characterization of the problem before shipping the module for repair. Example: one of the module had hardware threshold set to very low value, that's why it didn't rump up. Some found this strange, but has to be checked. Beni: one of the modules that was repaired and worked a week ago, showed a problem again, can't rump up! 
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== Engineering ==
  
- Dave needs Chris to do four more boxes (as for FCAL) for temperature and humidity measurements. Fernando prefers to have also some kind of flowmeter on the cooling duct, in addition to the thermocouple.
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- Eugene: on the readiness review there was a remark that people stopped using plastic tubes for Fluorinert, only metal. Tim answered that the tube material was chosen to work for Fluorinert.  
  
== Engineering ==
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- Dave: put new mark on the Fluorunert level. Moved all the hardware needed for the cathode scan, the motor, controller and computer, in the ESB.
  
- Bill and Casey opened the chiller (picture attached). The change of the level we see is on the sub-tank. The chiller is filled through the sub-tank. The fact that the weight didn't change over a month means Fluorinert moves from the sub-tank to the circulating tank that looked almost full. Bill tested the two float switches and one of them didn't work: if that's the case it will not shut off the pump when there's no coolant. Bill will discuss this with the company and probably will do more checks. In the mean time we continue to use the chiller, as it  is, and will check the weight again in a month.
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== Other ==
  
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- Luke Robison, a graduate student from Northwestern University will work on FDC projects for ~2 months: noise studies, cathode scan.

Latest revision as of 07:03, 1 April 2015

July 3, 2014 FDC+CDC meeting

Agenda

  1. Commissioning plans
  2. Gas system
  3. DAQ (Beni)
  4. CDC status (Beni)
  5. FDC status fADC pulse window (Lubomir)
  6. Electronics (Chris, Nick)
  7. Engineering (Bill)
  8. Other

Instructions for Bluejeans meeting connection

FDC meeting ID: 290664653

Minutes

Participants: Naomi (CMU), Beni, Dave, Chris, Mike, Simon, Fernando, Eugene, Glenn, and Lubomir (JLab).

Readiness review

- Drafts (very preliminary) for the CDC and FDC commissioning were prepared for the readiness review (page linked above). For the FDC the plan so far is to use two gas mixtures, 90/10 and 40/60, the first one is better for the alignment. The target position(s) and turning on/off the magnetic field needs to be coordinated.

Gas system

- Last Friday, at ~8am, the power in the gas room was turned off for ~15 min due to a planned electrical work there. After turning it ON, the setting in the gas control panel were wrong (40mA, while the range is 4-20mA). As a result: (1) the flow was doubled and (2) the PLS didn't turned OFF the flow controllers when the mixing tanks reached 12psi. Soon the pressure reached 15psi and the two relief valves were continuously engaged for some time.

- After the meeting we installed an UPS (in preparation for the holiday weekend) there. Dave will contact the company to find a solution, at least to change the default settings to what we need.

DAQ

- Beni: can read now all the 18 crates (CDC+FDC). Sometimes DAQ crashes fatally, so that you have to reboot the computer (suspect InfiniBand). Also somehow the bios on gluon51 failed; will be replaced.

- Beni made independent initialization for the FDC and CDC, now they can have different pulse windows.

CDC noise

- Fernando suspects the noise may come from the CDC itself, since it depends on the HV, and suggested increasing the CO2 content while keeping the same HV; the idea is to exclude the HV modules as a source of the noise. Eugene/Naomi: same effect will be if decrease/increase the HV by few hundred volts. Also it's difficult to explain with gas discharges the correlation we see in the noise (see plots from the last meeting). In any case, first Mike will study systematically where on the CDC we see the noise.

- Lubomir looked with a scope on the FDC and found noise with very similar pattern on several special channels. That was on the most upstream cathodes in the first and second package, but not in the other two, and always in cards that have both long and short strips (more susceptible to noise). It may indicate that the noise comes from the CDC or the mesh but one has to study this more systematically.

FDC update

- Lubomir started analyzing the fADC data from the last DAQ runs. The pedestal widths for the CDC are about a factor of 2 bigger than for the FDC: 20, 10 fADC units respectively. The widths in the FDC depend on the size of the strips.

- Important is that FDC sees many events with the CDC trigger; the explanation: most of the cosmic events are part of showers. The timing of the first maximum resembles the standard FDC drift time spectrum (histogram linked above). Beni will use this histogram to adjust the FDC pulse window from 20th to 100th sample, thus cutting the size of the files by 2. Before it was 0 to 160, as in the CDC.

Electronics

- Fernando: two CAEN modules back from repair. Chris/Nick will test them before using in the Hall.

Engineering

- Eugene: on the readiness review there was a remark that people stopped using plastic tubes for Fluorinert, only metal. Tim answered that the tube material was chosen to work for Fluorinert.

- Dave: put new mark on the Fluorunert level. Moved all the hardware needed for the cathode scan, the motor, controller and computer, in the ESB.

Other

- Luke Robison, a graduate student from Northwestern University will work on FDC projects for ~2 months: noise studies, cathode scan.